PNC 10/24/12

PNC Meeting Agenda
 * 10/24/2012 21:00h EDT
 * IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
 * Room: #pnc
 * Wiki: http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_10/24/12

Attending

 * Kyle Devore, OR
 * Erik Zoltan, MA
 * Orion Steele, CA
 * Bradley Hall, FL
 * Stuart James Gavin, WI
 * Jeffrey Talada, WA

Unexcused

 * NY
 * GA

Probation

 * OK

At Large Members of the PNC

 * Nic Desalvi, MD
 * RobertSteele, VA
 * Brady Dribble, WA

Officers of the PNC

 * Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY, First Officer

Proceedings
Meeting opened at: 9:05 pm EDT by
 * Meeting chaired by Lindsay Anne Brunner, NY
 * Secretary for this meeting is Amanda Johnson, MI
 * Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
 * Logging Enabled: Yes

Review of previous minutes
http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_10/17/12

Massachusetts

 * held a crypto party, had Tor representatives and over a dozen sessions
 * Representative led a class on file sharing with privacy measures
 * hoping to post videos soon

Oregon

 * nothing to report

Florida

 * Nothing to report

California

 * met with officers in southern california over the weekend, they are actively connecting with socialists, libertarians, anarchists and labor activists who are all seriously considering coming to CAPP
 * Weekly meetings continuing each monday, the Pirate Hour will feature a republican libertarian who uses liquid feedback this thursday, should be an interesting conversation
 * the President of the California Teachers Union publically thanked Eric Maag in front of thousands of teachers and union members for participating in the pirate hour and encouraged other teachers to take similar efforts to raise awareness about propositions in CA before the election
 * preparing a pirate party voting guide for CA that we hope to distribute at the beginning of next week helping voters who are aligned with the pirate party navigate the propositions in CA
 * very first pirate party high school club that will be using website and doing a variety of things like canvassing
 * drafting legislation for our state banning the use of drones. we plan to submit it to the legislature at the beginning of their next term

Wisconsin

 * met with the Joe and Francis Klien this past sunday and talked about how to begin and grow the party here. Discussed strategy and have a tentative time like for after for organizing the platform with liquid democracy and modern "LAN" parties in metro areas
 * working on getting a student group started
 * planning to use liquid deomocracy in the future

IT Committee

 * Will use German PP theme for new website
 * Not CC-By
 * Discussed setting up a security standard
 * want to have the platform, state and national news, and discussed putting the state reports right on the front page

Convention Committee

 * officially dissolve this? (Sacha)
 * MA moves to dissolve committee
 * Motion passes, 5 aye, 1 abstain

Agenda Items

 * Trans-Pacific Partnership - Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer, PPAU
 * Mozart from PPAU was going to talk about the Trans-Pacific Partnership tonight, but he can't be here. He'll talk about it at the next meeting, but says it'd be a good idea for the American pirates to consider what they would like to say in a joint statement to TPP negotiators. Start talking to CAPP about their experience.
 * California's experiences
 * Be sure to be registered, looking proper is also good
 * http://www.calpirateparty.org/1/post/2012/07/california-pirate-party-response-to-the-trans-pacific-partnership-treaty.html, speech
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MQyMDyMlR9E, video
 * Good opportunity to network with other groups


 * Nominations for Officer positions
 * Captain: Travis McCrea, Lindsay-Anne Brunner
 * First Officer: Travis McCrea, Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Amanda Johnson (who is moving to Canada in case that affects your vote)
 * Quartermaster: Caleb Laneslag


 * Press Committee formation
 * Motion to form Press Committee
 * Motion passes, 4 aye, will meet in #uspp-press

AOB

 * put a person in charge of newbies, wiki page 'want to help out' (Sacha)
 * Sacha retracts talking point
 * I would like someone who is experienced in canvassing and pirate materials to help me replace the broken pages and flesh out the new state party guide. I do not have the knowledge but I have the skills to make pictures and do the "clerical work", see http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/Local_Party_Organization (Sacha)
 * Message belle10152@hotmail.com to help out
 * Editing the wording of the core values for clarity. Or should we just clarify what they mean more on the wiki?(Sacha)
 * Removing state reports from the meeting (Sacha)
 * WA motions that states send their reports to the quartermaster to compile and distribute temporarilly until another solution is found and removed from meetings
 * motion passed, 4 for, states are to send state reports to sacha at belle10152@hotmail.com by Monday to be published on the wiki
 * Finishing agenda before meeting begins; all additions should be done before start of meetings. -lb
 * use forum
 * pirate-party.us/forum/    Use them.
 * Motion to adjourn
 * Motion passes, 4 for


 * Next meeting: TBA at 9PM EDT
 * Meeting closed: 11:58PM EST

Logs
*(23:46) So kusanagi's point
 * (21:04) Meeting opening. Please state your full name, representative status and state.
 * (21:04) Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY
 * (21:04) FO
 * (21:05) Kyle DeVore, Rep, Oregon
 * (21:05) Stuart James Gavin, Agent of Kliens, WIsconsin
 * (21:06) ping Rush jarod OrionSteele stubuntu Brady
 * (21:06) Brady O'bannon Dibble, Observer, Washington. Washington will not have an official rep tonight.
 * (21:06) Bradley Hall, Florida
 * (21:06) Orion Steele - California
 * (21:06) - mildbeard joined
 * (21:06) Brady are you sure? You wish to be excused instead?
 * (21:06) Erik Zoltan, Massachusetts
 * (21:06) Nic DeSalvi - Maryland
 * (21:06) Excusal can only happen before the meeting
 * (21:06) Jeff excused himself to me before the meeting
 * (21:07) As acting QM I am sure it is perfectly legitimate
 * (21:07) Ehn, ok
 * (21:07) - VLD joined
 * (21:07) Amanda Johnson, MI
 * (21:07) WA is excused for the night
 * (21:09) okay, first thing first, http://www.pirate-party.us/wiki/PNC_10/17/12 was last week
 * (21:09) are we all good on that?
 * (21:09) - Brady is now known as Brady|School
 * (21:10) yes looks good
 * (21:10) Yep
 * (21:10) yes
 * (21:12) Ok, State Reports are up. mildbeard, what's going on in MAPP this week?
 * (21:12) hi
 * (21:12) - mildbeard quit *(Quit: Leaving)
 * (21:13) ...
 * (21:13) ok
 * (21:13) that was weird
 * (21:13) WA is out for the night, so, ORPP, MrSquared?
 * (21:14) Sure
 * (21:14) - mildbeard joined
 * (21:14) We really have nothing to report yet. I blame the rain.
 * (21:14) - RobertSteele joined
 * (21:15) sorry
 * (21:15) bleh, rain. welcome back mildbeard, want to give MAPP's report now?
 * (21:15) it happens
 * (21:15) toddler pushed power button on me
 * (21:15) MAPP helped to host a crypto party over the weekend.
 * (21:15) We had representatives from the Tor network and over a dozen sessions.
 * (21:16) I led a class on file sharing with privacy measures.
 * (21:16) - notreallyhere quit *(Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
 * (21:16) It went very well, and we are hoping to post videos of many of the talks.
 * (21:16) very cool.
 * (21:16) Nothing else new to report.
 * (21:16) nice!
 * (21:16) Florida! Rush!
 * (21:17) Pirate Pin and Pirate Patch at this URL, need to raise $5000 to get first order in, then they can be given to individual new members: http://www.phibetaiota.net/2012/10/worth-a-look-pirate-party-pin-and-eye-patch/
 * (21:18) RobertSteele, please wait
 * (21:18) <Sacha>Who is robert Steele?
 * (21:18) <OrionSteele>i have no idea
 * (21:18) <Rush>Florida really has nothing to report this week.
 * (21:18) I know him, but he's kind of interupting
 * (21:19) <Sacha>Okay next time please tell him to check in if he is going to talk because he is on the logs but never identified
 * (21:19) I understand that
 * (21:19) I had no idea he was going to come in
 * (21:19) <RobertSteele>Robert Steele was invited by Brad Hall. http://bigbatusa.org, http://tinyurl.com/Steele2012
 * (21:20) name and where you reside, please
 * (21:20) <RobertSteele>RobertSteele, Oakton VA. I started the VA element after connecting with Brad
 * (21:20) Thank you
 * (21:21) <Rush>He is technically the Virginia Pirate Party
 * (21:21) <RobertSteele>Argh
 * (21:21) I know you RobertSteele. I'm Brunner from NY
 * (21:21) <Sacha>Ahhh okay, no biggie
 * (21:21) Anyway, that aside
 * (21:21) <Sacha>At large then coolio
 * (21:21) No one from NY is here, so skip
 * (21:22) California, OrionSteele. what's up?
 * (21:22) <OrionSteele>Weekly meetings continuing each monday, the Pirate Hour will feature a republican libertarian who uses liquid feedback this thursday, should be an interesting conversation
 * (21:23) <OrionSteele>I met with our officers in southern california over the weekend, they are actively connecting with socialists, libertarians, anarchists and labor activists who are all seriously considering coming to CAPP
 * (21:24) - jarod_ joined
 * (21:24) <OrionSteele>the President of the California Teachers Union publically thanked Eric Maag in front of thousands of teachers and union members for participating in the pirate hour and encouraged other teachers to take similar efforts to raise awareness about propositions in CA before the election
 * (21:24) Awesome
 * (21:24) <OrionSteele>we are preparing a pirate party voting guide for our state that we hope to distribute at the beginning of next week helping voters who are aligned with the pirate party navigate the propositions in our state
 * (21:25) <OrionSteele>we also have our very first pirate party high school club that will be using our website and doing a variety of things for us like canvassing
 * (21:26) <OrionSteele>they aren't voting age yet, but they are excited and helpful
 * (21:26) very very cool :D
 * (21:26) first pirate high school club in the nation XD
 * (21:27) <OrionSteele>and we are drafting legislation for our state banning the use of drones. we plan to submit it to the legislature at the beginning of their next term
 * (21:27) excellent.
 * (21:27) <OrionSteele>so i guess that's where we are at right now
 * (21:27) california o.o
 * (21:27) <OrionSteele>trololol yep
 * (21:28) That's excellent, seriously
 * (21:28) your cheating
 * (21:28) but keep at it
 * (21:28) up next, stubuntu with WIPP?
 * (21:28) I met with the Joe and Francis Klien this past sunday and we talked about how to begin and grow the party here. We discussed strategy and have a tentative time like for after for organizing the platform with liquid democracy and modern "LAN" parties in metro areas
 * (21:29) timeline* not time like
 * (21:30) Francis is starting the student group at Uni of Wisconsin
 * (21:30) Awesome
 * (21:30) I am currently tracking down some people who i've worked with on past campaigns to start student groups at other wisconsin unis and colleges
 * (21:31) not bad
 * (21:31) I also realized i forgot the work election between for and after in the second sentence
 * (21:31) word*
 * (21:32) once we have these smaller groups up we want to use the liquid democracy platform to create our platform for the state party
 * (21:33) niftyvery cool
 * (21:33) thats pretty much it
 * (21:33) very nice
 * (21:34) CalebL[laptop], you're not here, are you?
 * (21:34) <Sacha>If he isn't me and itspara can talk
 * (21:35) I wasn't at last nights meeting so I wouldn't be able to represent
 * (21:35) <Sacha>Oh that's right you weren't, asynch meetings confuse me xD
 * (21:35) <Sacha>cuz you talked in the forum post
 * (21:36) hm, ok
 * (21:36) so if one of you can update, that would be nice.
 * (21:36) if not, we can skip.
 * (21:37) <Sacha>Okay the big highlights of the meeting were choosing the new theme for the website
 * (21:37) <Sacha>we decided to go with the german theme that nypp is also using, though we're going to tweak the colors and a few other things
 * (21:37) ok
 * (21:37) it's a nice theme
 * (21:38) <Sacha>Next we talked about setting up a security standard
 * (21:38) <Sacha>to be quite honest I didn't really understand so I can't say too much, we didn't come to any specific conclusions or requirements to present to the PNC though
 * (21:39) <Sacha>After that we talked about content for the front page
 * (21:40) <Sacha>We want to have the platform, state and national news, and discussed putting the state reports right on the front page
 * (21:40) <Sacha>Me and EFK hobbled together an really rough first example
 * (21:40) ok
 * (21:40) <Sacha>by the time we finished the rest of the people had kinda... gone away or something so the meeting was ended lol
 * (21:40) happens
 * (21:40) * kusanagi shrugs
 * (21:41) sounds like a PNC meeting.
 * (21:41) <Sacha>http://i.imgur.com/ZVY9D.png
 * (21:41) mildbeard, haha
 * (21:41) <Sacha>Just for a brief look, the bbc thing is symbolic for a news feed
 * (21:41) <Sacha>mildbeard i know right bro
 * (21:41) personally, i hate the engagement thing
 * (21:41) but that's my quip on the nypp site
 * (21:41) - jarod_ quit *(Quit: Web client closed)
 * (21:42) <Sacha>I like the engagement for uspp because we have multiple ways
 * (21:42) <Sacha>Hopefully one day we will allow people to get involved by moderating the forums or posting news articles
 * (21:42) "Get Involved" is my suggestion. just throwing it out there
 * (21:42) <Sacha>so we can put up 'job posings' there
 * (21:42) <Sacha>oh I like get involed a lot more
 * (21:42) job postings?
 * (21:42) <Sacha>We are going to change the wording of course
 * (21:42) Yeah, I like "get Involved"
 * (21:42) <Sacha>yeah like.. "We have openings for forum moderators"
 * (21:43) lol wut
 * (21:43) job isn't a good word choice
 * (21:43) <Sacha>Spitballing, word choice can be discussed later
 * (21:44) I think stuff like moderators doesnt need to be advertised past meetings and the forums
 * (21:44) yeah
 * (21:44) ALSO
 * (21:44) big note
 * (21:44) the theme IS NOT CC-0
 * (21:44) true
 * (21:44) We got an email correcting us on that
 * (21:44) so make sure to have a note on that
 * (21:44) it's CC-BY
 * (21:45) yeah... it says it in the theme itself >.>
 * (21:45) <Sacha>Be sure to let claeb know if he doesn't
 * (21:45) <Sacha>I am involved in making it look pretty
 * (21:45) itspara, i know, but it was still posted as CC-0
 * (21:46) so, i'll let CalebL[laptop] know.
 * (21:46) <Sacha>Noted on the minutes, that's all really
 * (21:46) <Sacha>Good idea
 * (21:47) that's all from it?
 * (21:47) hrm.. ok
 * (21:48) guys?
 * (21:48) <Sacha>"that's all really"
 * (21:48) have to double check
 * (21:48) convention committee is next
 * (21:48) sinc that fell apart
 * (21:49) sacha, you'd like to dissolve it/
 * (21:49) <Sacha>Exactamente
 * (21:49) ok
 * (21:49) well, you know the drill for dissolving
 * (21:50) any state wish to move?
 * (21:50) <RobertSteele>VA
 * (21:50) move to dissolve the convention committee
 * (21:50) <RobertSteele>yup...my small contribution
 * (21:51) RobertSteele, your state isn't a member.
 * (21:51) <RobertSteele>that's why it's failing, but okay
 * (21:51) <Sacha>Who is going to second
 * (21:51) any second?
 * (21:51) second
 * (21:51) ok
 * (21:51) debate?
 * (21:52) <Rush>*(RobertSteele there's a tab under the Mibbit graphic that says "Rush" - click it and I'll talk with you, I'm Brad)
 * (21:52) <OrionSteele>what is the convention committee supposed to do again and why should we dissolve it?
 * (21:52) why debate? It was a non-committee that never really did anything. Let's just dissolve it.
 * (21:52) It was supposed to create a convention so we could have an annual meeting and elect officers.
 * (21:53) <Sacha>It has done nothing and we are discussing the elections on the forums now
 * (21:53) We wound up just moving to have a regular IRC meeting where we'd elect them.
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 * (21:53) <QuazarGuy>Jeff Talada, WA
 * (21:54) <Sacha>QuazarGuy you acting as rep or just an observer?
 * (21:54) It was a good idea, but we should just move on.
 * (21:54) <Sacha>I agree with mildbeard completely
 * (21:54) <QuazarGuy>if Brady is busy, rep
 * (21:55) <Sacha>He decided to be an observer so i will put you as rep
 * (21:55) <OrionSteele>ok im sold
 * (21:55) <OrionSteele>if there is an alt forum available through the forums and it wasn't doing anything then why not
 * (21:56) ok
 * (21:56) so, any motion to vote/
 * (21:57) I move we close debate and vote on the previous motion.
 * (21:57) second
 * (21:57) previous actually the motion being debated
 * (21:58) i can take that as a amend
 * (21:58) <Sacha>We already had a motion to vote
 * (21:58) it was a point of clarificatiom
 * (21:59) <Sacha>So we can vote now right?
 * (22:00) yes
 * (22:00) <MrSquared>aye
 * (22:00) aye
 * (22:00) <OrionSteele>aye
 * (22:01) aye
 * (22:01) <QuazarGuy>abstain
 * (22:01) <Rush>what is being voted on I can't see it
 * (22:01) <OrionSteele>dissolving convention committee
 * (22:01) <Rush>oh, right
 * (22:01) <Rush>aye
 * (22:01) calling it
 * (22:02) Sacha, count?
 * (22:02) <Sacha>5 aye, 1 abstain
 * (22:02) motion passes, convention commitee dissolved.
 * (22:02) hooray
 * (22:03) now we're "unconventional"...
 * (22:03) * kusanagi giggles
 * (22:03) - jarod quit *(Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 * (22:03) punny
 * (22:03) Aight, onto the agenda
 * (22:03) Mozart from PPAU wanted to talk with us, but he's not here tonight due to family stuff
 * (22:04) but TPP talks are now happening in Auckland soon, I don't recall the date
 * (22:04) And he recommends that we start to consider what we'd like to say in a joint statement to be given by PPAU and PPNZ
 * (22:05) statement regarding?
 * (22:05) If OrionSteele wants to elaborate on CAPP's experience with TPP talks, that's the Trans-Pacific Partnership, that would be great.
 * (22:05) <Sacha>I think this is the sort of thing that should go in the forums
 * (22:05) <Sacha>forum8
 * (22:05) <OrionSteele>yeah i can do that
 * (22:05) <Sacha>forum*
 * (22:05) 4 people use the forum
 * (22:06) We have people here now, let's go over it.
 * (22:06) <OrionSteele>well i will just say a couple things
 * (22:06) <Rush>I have to post something on the FLPP FB.
 * (22:06) <OrionSteele>first, we have to make sure that the registration information is correct. They will not let anyone in who is not registered with proper identification. A suit and tie also help
 * (22:06) <OrionSteele>we had one dude get escorted out of the building by security bc he was trying to impersonate me
 * (22:06) OrionSteele, the talk is in New Zealand. I don't think anyone from here will be attending.
 * (22:06) lol
 * (22:07) <OrionSteele>oh haha
 * (22:07) - RobertSteele quit *(Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
 * (22:07) <OrionSteele>i thought you meant the TPP talks that were happening here
 * (22:07) that was last month, no one could make it
 * (22:07) <Sacha>It is already 10 pm, if everyone in here would like to spend time talking about it
 * (22:07) <Sacha>then i am okay
 * (22:07) <OrionSteele>well we published the text of the speech we gave...went a little more militant than some other people who gave speeches
 * (22:07) <Sacha>otherwise we can all pony up and use our alternatives
 * (22:07) Sacha, this is important.
 * (22:08) <Sacha>Yeah, which is why we should spend hours talking about it
 * (22:08) <Sacha>and it is 10pm
 * (22:08) <OrionSteele>the negotiations are a great opportunity to network with other groups and forge alliances
 * (22:08) <Sacha>Our captain isn't even here
 * (22:08) We can operate without him for one night
 * (22:08) <Sacha>We have other quick shit to get through, we should put it on the forum and use them
 * (22:08) <Sacha>We do not need to
 * (22:09) <OrionSteele>you can read the speech if you want, other than that i can elaborate later or in other venues...
 * (22:09) <Sacha>How about this, can we take a vote
 * (22:09) OrionSteele, please continue
 * (22:10) <OrionSteele>http://www.calpirateparty.org/1/post/2012/07/california-pirate-party-response-to-the-trans-pacific-partnership-treaty.html
 * (22:10) <OrionSteele>thats the speech
 * (22:10) <OrionSteele>it covers a lot of our issues with the treaty. we worked with Australian Pirate Party to get the speech done
 * (22:11) <OrionSteele>there's also a meeting where we met with the Australian Pirate Party on google hangouts to chat about it, i can post the link if you want to watch instead of read
 * (22:11) for the record, please do
 * (22:12) <OrionSteele>ok one sec
 * (22:13) <OrionSteele>here is the meeting where Travis talks about his experience in San Diego giving the speech: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MQyMDyMlR9E
 * (22:14) awesome
 * (22:14) <OrionSteele>i'll keep looking for the specific video where australia comes
 * (22:14) thank you
 * (22:14) I've been reading through the speech, it's the kind of thing that makes your blood boil.
 * (22:15) <OrionSteele>but that should be good...the speech and the video with the guy talking about his experience giving the speech
 * (22:15) Great speech.
 * (22:15) Again, Mozart will come in next week to discuss it more with us. But please start getting your thoughts together for a statement
 * (22:15) it is great
 * (22:15) <OrionSteele>:) thanks travis really hit the right tone...makes us debaters proud
 * (22:15) :)
 * (22:15) next item
 * (22:16) is nominations for officers
 * (22:16) <Sacha>We should push this off another week
 * (22:16) Why?
 * (22:16) <Sacha>Neither Caleb nor Travis are here
 * (22:16) yeah why?
 * (22:16) you just have to nominate
 * (22:16) no need to accept tonight, from my understanding
 * (22:16) <Sacha>So they do not have to accept the nominations
 * (22:17) <Sacha>K go then
 * (22:17) Anyone have any?
 * (22:17) <Sacha>Travis wants captain, and Caleb is talking about QM
 * (22:17) Why can nominate?
 * (22:17) *Who
 * (22:17) <Sacha>Itspara States
 * (22:17) <Sacha>Or a state can second a nomination
 * (22:17) states nom
 * (22:17) Just member states I assume
 * (22:17) <Sacha>So someone would have to second Travis and Caleb for it to be legitimate
 * (22:17) Anyone have nominations who can't officially make them, just IM me.
 * (22:18) <Rush>I'll nominate Kusanagi, Lindsay-Anne Brunner, and Bill Bixby to be Captain
 * (22:18) I'll nominate Travis for Captain and Caleb for QM.
 * (22:18) ooh, Bill Bixby will be hard to beat.
 * (22:18) lol
 * (22:19) Anyone for FM noms?
 * (22:19) <Rush>*(seriously, Kusanagi)
 * (22:19) <Sacha>Can you run for two positions?
 * (22:19) I think you COULD but you could only accept one
 * (22:19) Not sure, but why not?
 * (22:20) <Sacha>Okay, the who is doing FO
 * (22:20) <Sacha>was that an actual nom Rush?
 * (22:20) I just asked.
 * (22:20) <QuazarGuy>votes would be placed for candidates that won't accept
 * (22:20) <Rush>Yes
 * (22:20) I would think anyone who is running for captain ought to be able to run for FO too, and they can simply drop out if they are elected captain.
 * (22:20) <Sacha>exactly what i am worried about, then you will have to accept a runner up
 * (22:20) mildbeard, that's a good idea
 * (22:21) <QuazarGuy>then FM will have to be voted for after Captain
 * (22:21) <Sacha>If the same person wins Captain and FO then the people could be forced with a runner up
 * (22:21) <Sacha>Maybe the third in the overall would have been first if it had been just the two
 * (22:22) sacha has a point
 * (22:22) if one is elected Capt, then they should be required to step out of thge FO race
 * (22:22) <Sacha>If we are doing this properly
 * (22:22) <Sacha>Then people should be going back to their states and agreeing on who to vote for
 * (22:22) No
 * (22:23) let's not slow this down any more.
 * (22:23) <Sacha>We wouldn't be
 * (22:23) Delegates have the authority of their states to participate.
 * (22:23) They have their own internal processes for collaborating.
 * (22:23) <Sacha>the expectation is that people will go back this week to talk and then do the voting next week
 * (22:23) <Sacha>That is why we do not do them the same meeting
 * (22:23) OK I agree with that. I thought you meant before nominating.
 * (22:24) sorry
 * (22:24) <Sacha>That would be fine unless a favored candidate for fO suddenly drops out
 * (22:24) ?
 * (22:24) <Sacha>then the state rep has to choose on their own who to favor now
 * (22:24) <Sacha>mildbeard no prob
 * (22:24) Don't see it as an issue. The representative casts the vote for the state.
 * (22:25) <QuazarGuy>if the FO nominee drops out the rep has to consult their state
 * (22:25) <Sacha>QuazarGuy they can't, won't have time
 * (22:25) <Rush>what does FO mean?
 * (22:25) there is no FO nominee
 * (22:25) <Sacha>First Officer*
 * (22:25) <Rush>oh
 * (22:25) <Sacha>Compromise states reps go back and do a plan B
 * (22:26) <Sacha>if your pick for FO doesn't get it, who will the rep vote for
 * (22:26) <Sacha>that should cover it
 * (22:26) <QuazarGuy>we're looking at a two week long election period if we allow multiple position running candidates
 * (22:26) No I disagree.
 * (22:26) <Sacha>QuazarGuy, what about my addition?
 * (22:26) We are looking at a single meeting.
 * (22:26) Representatives should come prepared to vote.
 * (22:26) ok
 * (22:26) Sacha, as of now, who are the noms and for what?
 * (22:26) <Sacha>Mildbeard do you agree to my compromise?
 * (22:26) <QuazarGuy>with a contingency for each possible outcome?
 * (22:27) You should know who you support or have the authority to make a determination personally.
 * (22:27) <Sacha>quazarguy exacty
 * (22:27) <Sacha>Or you can have a contingency for the possible outcomes
 * (22:27) If the state doesn't trust their representative to make a decision, then they should get a better rep.
 * (22:27) ^
 * (22:27) agreed
 * (22:27) <QuazarGuy>I think Travis wouldn't allow this
 * (22:27) <Sacha>Pointless.
 * (22:28) I don't think so either
 * (22:28) and I asked a question
 * (22:28) Sacha, what is the full list of noms and for what positions?
 * (22:28) <Sacha>Mildbeard Do you want one meeting voting. If so there is a compromise on the table that will allow that.
 * (22:28) Can you explain what the compromise is?
 * (22:29) <Sacha>Kusanagi Captain: Kusanagi, Travis, Bill
 * (22:29) <Sacha>QM: Caleb
 * (22:29) Erm, Bill was a joke.
 * (22:29) it's okay though, I didn't get it either
 * (22:29) Bill Bixby is an actor from the 1970s.
 * (22:30) <Sacha>mildbeard If there is a person that is running for two spots, states pick their second choice for the position
 * (22:30) <Sacha>A contigency plan
 * (22:30) <Sacha>Then the rep will know who to vote for
 * (22:30) but at this time there aren't any running for two spots
 * (22:30) I think that a candidate should be able to run for more than one position.
 * (22:31) and the nominations were due tonight
 * (22:31) <Sacha>mildbeard they can, with that compromise
 * (22:31) I don't think that we should dictate anything about how states or their representatives make decisions. So I don't think the compromise is needed.
 * (22:31) I fully agree with mildbeard
 * (22:32) <Sacha>kusanagi Do you plan to run for first officer
 * (22:32) In Massachusetts, I have the authority to make a decision for our state. If there are any issues where I'm not sure, then I simply contact the officers of our state and ask them.
 * (22:32) Since there aren't any noms for FM, this is my idea
 * (22:32) hear it out
 * (22:33) <Sacha>Fuck I will self nominate if there is no one else
 * (22:33) whoever loses the vote for capt, has the option of FO
 * (22:33) <Sacha>NOPE
 * (22:33) language, Sacha
 * (22:33) <Sacha>NOPE
 * (22:33) How about we nominate Kusanagi and Travis to be FO.
 * (22:33) Could do that too
 * (22:33) <Sacha>Not without Travis' permission
 * (22:33) You can nom him without permoission
 * (22:33) <Sacha>If he doesn't want it, he'd be stuck with it
 * (22:33) he can certainly decline
 * (22:33) <Sacha>Oh yeah he doesn't have to accept
 * (22:33) he would have to accept or decline the nomination
 * (22:33) <Sacha>then do it
 * (22:34) <Sacha>So a state needs to nom travis and kusanagi
 * (22:34) I'm hereby nominating kusanagi and travis and sacha for First Officer. *(Sacha stuck her neck out.)
 * (22:34) second
 * (22:34) I accept both nominations for captain and first officer.
 * (22:35) <Sacha>I accept, so we just need to shake down Travis and caleb
 * (22:35) <Sacha>does anyone else want to go for QM
 * (22:35) <Sacha>I am pretty sure that Caleb wants it, we've been talking about it
 * (22:36) <Sacha>but competition is always cool
 * (22:36) * kusanagi plays the Jeopardy! song
 * (22:37) * mildbeard plays "yo ho ho..."
 * (22:37) 2 min, and i'll close noms
 * (22:37) I have an impending issue, will you lose quorum if I drop?
 * (22:37) <MrSquared>om nom nom
 * (22:38) no, we won't
 * (22:38) <Sacha>Oh yeah for transparency and everything
 * (22:38) <Sacha>I may be moving to Canada this Winter
 * (22:38) cool, where?
 * (22:38) <Sacha>So I will not be a resident, in case that affects people's votes
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 * (22:38) <Sacha>My friend and I are looking at Toronto, she wants to model with a company based there
 * (22:39) <QuazarGuy>I'm surprised that CA with 300+ people has no one to offer up
 * (22:40) <Sacha>QuazarGuy Same, but i wonder if they are purely focused on state level
 * (22:40) <Sacha>which is why not
 * (22:40) <QuazarGuy>I think nominations should be opened up beyond IRC
 * (22:41) QuazarGuy, it was mentioned in the meetings and over the SAB list
 * (22:41) a week is long enough.
 * (22:41) <QuazarGuy>my contention is that I'm not convinced states are consulting their members on this
 * (22:41) I'm not either
 * (22:42) but how are we to enforce that?
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 * (22:42) <Sacha>QuazarGuy I think when we work towards asynchronous meetings it will change but for now a person who doesn't use IRC or actively participate in the USPP in some way would be odd imo
 * (22:42) <Sacha>they are officers of the PNC not USPP
 * (22:42) <QuazarGuy>I motion to add a page to the site and an announcement on social media of how to nominate and gain a following
 * (22:43) <Sacha>I like that, but i think the goal should be next year's elections
 * (22:43) <Sacha>Which will be much more planned out than this
 * (22:43) <QuazarGuy>I think we could do it this week
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 * (22:43) Sacha, most definitely
 * (22:44) <Sacha>QuazarGuy The issue is that people are tired of pushing it back and I don't think that a week is enough time for a random to get a following
 * (22:44) <QuazarGuy>I would be willing to help with content of the page and announcements
 * (22:44) <Sacha>My only issue is that if they wanted to help they should have gotten involved somehow
 * (22:44) agreed sacha
 * (22:44) <Sacha>if they can't make the meetings before, how could they in order to be an officer
 * (22:44) I fully agree with Sacha
 * (22:45) <Rush>Guys
 * (22:45) <Rush>I'm going to bed, adios
 * (22:45) <Sacha>When we break dependence on the IRC, it will be a different story and we should carefully plan out elections and nominations next year.
 * (22:45) <Sacha>Goodnight rush
 * (22:45) night rush
 * (22:45) ok adios me too
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 * (22:45) still at quorum
 * (22:46) <QuazarGuy>there is a motion
 * (22:46) <Sacha>QuazarGuy is that acceptable to you? I will help you plan it and make it for the wiki. If no one seconds.
 * (22:46) Motion failed, sorry
 * (22:47) point of clarification, what was that motion?
 * (22:47) I motion to add a page to the site and an announcement on social media of how to nominate and gain a following
 * (22:47) that was the motion
 * (22:47) thanks
 * (22:48) <Sacha>Was the motion to affect this year's election?
 * (22:48) <Sacha>Because you would first need to motion to allow nominations until next week
 * (22:48) This is also true
 * (22:48) but it failed
 * (22:48) So..
 * (22:48) <Sacha>I don't want to ignore QuazarGUy's feelings just because they are unpopular
 * (22:49) <Sacha>Let's work out something that he is comfortable with, I think the only thing that everyone else wants
 * (22:49) it's not being ignored
 * (22:49) <Sacha>is to get the elections done next week
 * (22:49) <QuazarGuy>it is fine
 * (22:49) and QuazarGuy's motion would have extended the time.
 * (22:49) <Sacha>Quazarguy You are sure?
 * (22:49) the motion failed, let's move on. sorry Jeff.
 * (22:50) <QuazarGuy>no need to apologize
 * (22:50) <Sacha>We could extend the nomination period until Friday, and that would give states plenty of time
 * (22:50) No
 * (22:50) A week is plenty
 * (22:50) <Sacha>It was only announced in the meeting and SAB
 * (22:50) <Sacha>we did not give it a fair chance
 * (22:50) <QuazarGuy>it is WA's fault we weren't aware of nominations being due this week
 * (22:51) it was given a fair chance
 * (22:51) <Sacha>QuazarGuy If you are turly comfortable with it, then I will drop it. If not, I know that I can come up with a compromise.
 * (22:51) <QuazarGuy>it's fine
 * (22:52) Ok next up is a formation of a press committee
 * (22:52) let's put it simply
 * (22:52) we need one
 * (22:52) we have no press releases going out
 * (22:53) <Sacha>Travis with nix it
 * (22:53) <Sacha>say be bold
 * (22:53) LOL
 * (22:53) how could i have forgotten
 * (22:53) so I will BE BOOOOOLD
 * (22:53) and ask that the state reps vote to create it tonight
 * (22:53) <QuazarGuy>do we have anyone willing to be part of this committee?
 * (22:53) Yes, myself
 * (22:53) <Sacha>Anyone beside you
 * (22:53) I will as weel
 * (22:53) And anyone and everyone who wants to
 * (22:54) well*
 * (22:54) <Sacha>just make a forum post or twitter or something
 * (22:54) <Sacha>no need for a vote and I would really dislike doing it when Travis is not here
 * (22:54) <Sacha>Because we all know that he would be against it since he nixed two committees the past two weeks
 * (22:55) <QuazarGuy>that doesn't mean he'd be against this one
 * (22:55) Being bold
 * (22:55) <Sacha>It doesn't, but I wish to wait and find out from him.
 * (22:55) Why?
 * (22:55) Why are we so dependant on an authority figure?
 * (22:55) <QuazarGuy>the formation of a committee isn't procedure and doesn't concern him
 * (22:56) Exactly
 * (22:56) <Sacha>I have said all I will about my opinion. I will not rise to the bait. If a state wishes to make a motion then they will.
 * (22:57) <QuazarGuy>I motion to form a press committee
 * (22:57) Would any state like to make a motion to form a press committee?
 * (22:57) there we go
 * (22:57) Any second?
 * (22:57) <OrionSteele>second
 * (22:57) ok, any debate on this or shall we move to vote?
 * (22:58) <QuazarGuy>I hope you're up to it kusanagi and stubuntu
 * (22:58) I am
 * (22:58) I am
 * (22:58) * kusanagi highfives stubuntu
 * (22:58) go team go
 * (22:58) <QuazarGuy>let's vote
 * (22:58) aight, voting on the formation of a press committees
 * (22:58) -s
 * (22:59) * stubuntu recieves highfive
 * (22:59) hm, didn't do that right
 * (22:59) ./me
 * (22:59) <OrionSteele>aye
 * (22:59) <QuazarGuy>yeah it's i before e except after c
 * (22:59) aye
 * (22:59) <QuazarGuy>aye
 * (22:59) QuazarGuy, vote?
 * (23:00) <QuazarGuy>did
 * (23:00) <MrSquared>aye
 * (23:00) oh, oops
 * (23:00) sorry about that
 * (23:00) and calling the vote. the tally, Sacha
 * (23:01) <Sacha>Looks like 4
 * (23:01) motion passed, press committee formred
 * (23:02) hooray
 * (23:02) * kusanagi throws confetti
 * (23:02) ok, to AOB now
 * (23:02) Sacha, looks like it's mostly you, wanna go over your stuff?
 * (23:03) <Sacha>Sure first one is putting a person in charge of being a source of contact for new people
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 * (23:04) <Sacha>We have a page on the wiki that is titled 'want to help out' which is great, but there needs to be a person to contact so that the PNC knows about them
 * (23:04) <Sacha>or a person to help them get into contact with the right group of people
 * (23:04) officers? someone invoved with pnc?
 * (23:04) <Sacha>We can either put a person in charge of it, or add it to an officer's duties
 * (23:04) I don't mind being put down
 * (23:04) <Sacha>I would rather it wasn't you honestly
 * (23:05) <Sacha>not for personal reasons but I think that telling people to go do the reasearch themself
 * (23:05) no
 * (23:05) <Sacha>Will scare people off, so I would personally like someone who is willing to help the new people
 * (23:05) <QuazarGuy>that's not an issue for this discussion
 * (23:05) <Sacha>that is merely my personal opinion though, which doesn't dictate anything
 * (23:05) <Sacha>Of course it is?
 * (23:05) <Sacha>We are discussing who to put in charge of it
 * (23:06) <QuazarGuy>why should we base the duty on who's in the office?
 * (23:06) <Sacha>We don't need to
 * (23:06) <Sacha>It was merely one way to do it, I offered picking an individual as well
 * (23:06) I just volunteered for it. I usually know the right people
 * (23:06) <QuazarGuy>anyway, I think it makes sense to make this a duty for either the FO or QM
 * (23:07) <Sacha>Kusanagi I know you did, which is why I made my response to you volunteering.
 * (23:07) <Sacha>QuazarGuy I would be fine with that as well
 * (23:07) <QuazarGuy>well we should pick one
 * (23:07) Sacha, can you please act slightly more professional?
 * (23:07) <QuazarGuy>QM keeps all the records and should have contacts for everyone necessary
 * (23:07) <Sacha>QuazarGuy I was thinking the same thing
 * (23:08) <Sacha>On the other hand the FO really isn't doing very much
 * (23:08) <QuazarGuy>FO should have contacts for state's officers
 * (23:08) i do
 * (23:09) <QuazarGuy>lol I'm not asking
 * (23:09) i know
 * (23:09) <Sacha>The FO is also in charge of general meetings
 * (23:09) <QuazarGuy>I want to know what others opinions are
 * (23:09) <Sacha>which is another place where they may be approached for help
 * (23:09) <Sacha>So it would make sense to be their duty
 * (23:09) <QuazarGuy>how are state's handling this issue?
 * (23:10) <Sacha>No idea, orionsteele are you still in?
 * (23:10) <OrionSteele>yes
 * (23:10) <Sacha>How do you handle new people in CAPP?
 * (23:11) <QuazarGuy>well I've been sending people to the secretary/quartermaster
 * (23:11) <Sacha>QuazarGuy How?
 * (23:11) <OrionSteele>we offer to meet them and invite them to our weekly meetings online. then we try to find someone in their area that can meet them personally and talk
 * (23:11) <OrionSteele>we try to set up real conversations with everyone who sends us messages about their interest in being involved
 * (23:11) <Sacha>That is a good idea, the last may be difficult, though a phone meeting would be sufficiant
 * (23:12) <OrionSteele>yeah or online meetings are fine too
 * (23:12) <Sacha>From what I know of what Travis does, he contacts new states and talks to them
 * (23:12) <Sacha>it might be good to have a counterpart like that for just new people in general
 * (23:12) <Sacha>and I think that contacting them personally is a good idea
 * (23:12) that is great
 * (23:13) <QuazarGuy>I think at the national level, it will mostly be relaying
 * (23:13) first an email, giving them info about pirates in the area, then a phone call
 * (23:13) QuazarGuy, yeah, it will be/is
 * (23:14) <Sacha>Yeah, i'm partial right now to it being the duty of the first officer
 * (23:15) <Sacha>Honestly, since it is my point
 * (23:15) <Sacha>I want to save it until next week and will put it in the forums in the meantime
 * (23:15) <Sacha>so i retract it
 * (23:15) ok
 * (23:15) neext?
 * (23:15) next
 * (23:16) it's Sacha's points
 * (23:16) <Sacha>I was working on the wiki today
 * (23:16) you have the floor
 * (23:16) <Sacha>and i saw the new state guide and the local party organization
 * (23:16) <Sacha>I want to help flesh them out but i do not have knowledge when it comes to canvassing
 * (23:16) <Sacha>I can do the grunt working, typing etc.
 * (23:17) hm
 * (23:17) <QuazarGuy>I've been meaning to go over it again
 * (23:17) <Sacha>but i need someone to point me in the right direction so I was hoping to have an experienced person volunteer to help me out with it
 * (23:17) yeahm the new state guide needs to be done over.
 * (23:17) i can help you with it
 * (23:17) i'm pretty busy until the 6th though with the election
 * (23:18) <Sacha>Wondeful, just email me at belle10152@hotmail.com and it is okay we can wait until after elections
 * (23:18) will do
 * (23:18) <Sacha>QuazarGuy if you want to help too just email me, we can likely use the discussion page combined with irc to do it
 * (23:18) <QuazarGuy>yep
 * (23:19) <Sacha>Okay so the next point comes out of a discussion with Rab about the core values
 * (23:20) <Sacha>the wording could be clarified to avoid terms like 'post-ideaological' which people may not know
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 * (23:20) <QuazarGuy>aren't most of them spawned out of the Pirate Wheel?
 * (23:20) OH LOOK WHO IT IS
 * (23:20) <Sacha>So my question is should we just explain what we mean in the wiki or should we change the wording?
 * (23:20) QuazarGuy, if i recall correctly, yes
 * (23:20) <Sacha>QuazarGuy Ehhh, we don't really stick to it
 * (23:20) I think explaining it out in the wiki is a better and easier option
 * (23:21) <QuazarGuy>I would copy as much as is similar
 * (23:21) <Sacha>Post idealogical meritocracy isn't on the whee
 * (23:21) <Sacha>wheel*
 * (23:22) <QuazarGuy>is it similar to something on the wheel?
 * (23:22) <Sacha>I think that expaining it in the wiki is good as well but I think I might talk to Rab some more because I don't even know what 'post-idealogical' means
 * (23:22) <Sacha>The issue was that phrase specifically which isn't on the wheel
 * (23:22) but that was written in the constitution
 * (23:22) <Sacha>Ja, so 'change the wording' = 'amendment'
 * (23:23) <Sacha>This is just an exploratory discussion
 * (23:23) you're better off explaining it on the wiki for now
 * (23:23) <Sacha>I agree with that
 * (23:23) if an amendment is needed, so be it
 * (23:23) <Sacha>I think if it trips up another person we should revisit it though
 * (23:23) <QuazarGuy>post-idealogical = after -isms
 * (23:23) yeah
 * (23:23) <Sacha>Quazarguy That is what i thought, I will explain that out in the wiki
 * (23:24) <QuazarGuy>let's do that then
 * (23:24) <QuazarGuy>next?
 * (23:25) Sacha, not to interrupt, but can you mention #uspp-press will be the channel for the press committee in the minutes
 * (23:25) ?
 * (23:25) <Sacha>sure
 * (23:25) <Sacha>Done
 * (23:25) <Sacha>Last thing is removing the state reports
 * (23:25) <Sacha>Having it in the meeting is pretty pointless imo and just takes up time
 * (23:26) <Sacha>We could publish it to the front page or to the wiki
 * (23:26) it's a good way for us to evaluate each other
 * (23:26) <Sacha>The meeting is not the place for evaluating each other
 * (23:26) and right now, the page is undergoing a massive amount of work
 * (23:26) <Sacha>exactly
 * (23:26) <Sacha>so we can just pop it in
 * (23:27) yeah, but for now, can we leave it as-is?
 * (23:27) <Sacha>I would really rather not
 * (23:27) <Sacha>I want meetings to be as short as possible
 * (23:27) <QuazarGuy>I consider reports extraneous to doing business
 * (23:27) <Sacha>Same as quazarguy
 * (23:28) I don't think I can just strike reports
 * (23:28) <QuazarGuy>they don't affect anything
 * (23:28) <QuazarGuy>I would rather they take place outside of meetings
 * (23:28) <Sacha>We can just vote to strike reports
 * (23:28) <Sacha>We have le sexy forums, we have le sexy email list, we will have le sexy website
 * (23:28) we can
 * (23:28) the site ain't sexy yet
 * (23:29) <QuazarGuy>as a temporary solution I propose states send their reports to the quartermaster to compile and distribute
 * (23:30) <Sacha>hence ~*will be*~
 * (23:30) <Sacha>Frame it as a motion Quazarguy?
 * (23:31) <QuazarGuy> I motion states send their reports to the quartermaster to compile and distribute temporarilly until another solution is found and removed from meetings
 * (23:31) <Sacha>ping mrsuared orionsteele stubuntu
 * (23:32) <Sacha>mrsquared*
 * (23:32) <OrionSteele>yes
 * (23:32) <QuazarGuy>second?
 * (23:32) do you second, OrionSteele?
 * (23:32) <OrionSteele>yes
 * (23:32) <OrionSteele>that is fine i second
 * (23:33) ok
 * (23:33) further discussion on this, or just go to the vote
 * (23:33) ?
 * (23:33) <QuazarGuy>vote
 * (23:33) stubuntu, MrSquared
 * (23:33) aye
 * (23:33) <MrSquared>vote
 * (23:33) ok
 * (23:33) <MrSquared>aye
 * (23:33) <QuazarGuy>aye
 * (23:34) voting on "states send their reports to the quartermaster to compile and distribute temporarilly until another solution is found and removed from meetings"
 * (23:34) now vote
 * (23:34) <QuazarGuy>aye
 * (23:34) aye
 * (23:34) <MrSquared>aye
 * (23:34) OrionSteele?
 * (23:36) <OrionSteele>aye
 * (23:36) and calling
 * (23:36) <Sacha>4 for
 * (23:37) So I guess what the states will have to do is by Monday have everything send over to Sacha and then she can place it on the agenda/minutes or something?
 * (23:37) <Sacha>I am going to make a special section for them on the wiki for now
 * (23:37) that works too
 * (23:37) <Sacha>and publish seperately
 * (23:37) <Sacha>you have the next point
 * (23:38) * kusanagi nods
 * (23:38) yes
 * (23:38) For the agenda for the meetings
 * (23:38) It's usually released about 2 days before the meeting itself
 * (23:39) I would like to ask that everyone have whatever they'd like to add-on finished by Tuesday, or about 24hrs before the meeting
 * (23:39) <QuazarGuy>I didn't specify how it needed to be distributed
 * (23:40) <Sacha>QuazarGuy it will be sent to QM and I am happy with that so I will send out a Sab email and ask for it. That is what i was planning to do anyway when you said that.
 * (23:41) <Sacha>Kusanagi I disagree because I do not understand the point, as long as it is added to the end before it is spoken about there is no reason not to do it even during the meeting
 * (23:41) so everyone knows what's going on
 * (23:41) <Sacha>Sometimes people do not think of what they want to say until the meeting of
 * (23:42) <Sacha>They will know when it is discussed imo
 * (23:42) <Sacha>i think that is prohibitive
 * (23:42) <QuazarGuy>I don't know why meetings and reports are still connected
 * (23:42) <Sacha>For example i've been adding and deleting things up and until right now
 * (23:42) <Sacha>QuazarGuy They will not be
 * (23:43) I'm talking about agenda and aob items
 * (23:43) <Sacha>kusanagi So am I
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 * (23:43) i was explaining to jeff.
 * (23:43) <QuazarGuy>I must
 * (23:43) <Sacha>Okay
 * (23:43) * Rab enters, cape flying
 * (23:43) <Sacha>Rab xD hi c:
 * (23:44) <QuazarGuy>must've missed it
 * (23:44) Rab, still in meeting
 * (23:44) <Sacha>QuazarGuy I clarified to say that I will make a new section on the wiki to put them in, it will be on the front page under that PNC thing
 * (23:44) <Rab>hi!
 * (23:44) * Rab pulls up chair, adjusts ears wider. gets silent
 * (23:44) <Sacha>xD
 * (23:46) <Sacha>anymore discussion on it or a motion?
 * (23:47) it was just a request
 * (23:47) nothing formal
 * (23:47) <Sacha>Okay, I will try to do so in the future but I cannot guarantee
 * (23:48) That's fine
 * (23:48) Okay, that seems to be like everything
 * (23:48) oh wait, no
 * (23:48) Sacha, one more?
 * (23:48) <Sacha>Yup, it was on there before but I deleted it for some reason
 * (23:48) oh
 * (23:48) ok
 * (23:48) <Sacha>I already sent this in an email but I wanted to say it here
 * (23:48) so that's everything?
 * (23:49) <Sacha>Nope, I re-added it to discuss
 * (23:49) oh ok
 * (23:49) <Sacha>well just to lecture really
 * (23:49) <Sacha>In the PNC a few weeks ago there was a lot of discussion about asynchronous meetings
 * (23:49) <Sacha>I know you are in favor of it Rab
 * (23:49) <Sacha>People are using the forums, very few, but they do exist
 * (23:49) <Sacha>They looked awesome and Caleb worked hard on them
 * (23:50) <Sacha>I do not care if you hate forums, please get over it
 * (23:50) <Sacha>And use them, the only way to make them popular and effective is to use them
 * (23:50) <Sacha>Bookmark them, check them daily or once a week
 * (23:50) <Sacha>the new theads and posts light up read
 * (23:50) <Sacha>Just do it.
 * (23:50) <Sacha>That's all.
 * (23:50) like nike
 * (23:50) <Sacha>Exactly
 * (23:51) lecture absorbed
 * (23:51) <MrSquared>swoosh
 * (23:51) <Sacha>pirate-party.us/forum in case you didn't know where it was
 * (23:51) <Sacha>We can adjourn now if you would like :P
 * (23:51) sure
 * (23:51) <Rab>i will try the forums
 * (23:52) motion to adjourn/
 * (23:52) ?
 * (23:52) seconded
 * (23:52) no
 * (23:52) make the motion lol
 * (23:52) ah, that was a question
 * (23:52) in that case I move to adjorn
 * (23:53) <MrSquared>second
 * (23:54) <QuazarGuy>umm....aye
 * (23:55) <Sacha>anyone wanna say we can vote nudge kusanagi nudge
 * (23:55) oh yeah
 * (23:55) vote
 * (23:55) nao
 * (23:55) aye
 * (23:55) <QuazarGuy>aye
 * (23:55) <Rab>aye
 * (23:55) <MrSquared>aye
 * (23:55) OrionSteele,
 * (23:56) <QuazarGuy>bye quorum
 * (23:56) - QuazarGuy left
 * (23:56) bye
 * (23:56) go home
 * (23:57) mweeting called at 11.58