PNC 10/9/13

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
 * --- 10/9/2013 21:00h EDT ---
 * IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
 * Room: #pnc
 * Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/9/13

Minutes
IT Report

Probation of non-active PNC members
 * Motion called to put CA and WA on one month's probationary status
 * 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed
 * CA and WA are on probation at least until November 9th, 2013, unless otherwise reinstated by PNC vote

Proposal: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope, where a document with the committee's purpose and charter shall be presented
 * first draft of document presented: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee
 * Motion to create a convention committee under the subcommittee bylaws of the PNC with the specific purpose of organizing the logistics and recruiting help for setting up each Pirate convention set forth by either motion or bylaws of the PNC.
 * 5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Motion passed
 * Convention Committee created, meeting Saturday October 12th at 8pm EDT on #uspp-con

1.1 - Members of the PNC
Attending
 * Stephen Smith - FL
 * Kyle DeVore - OR
 * Lucia Fiero - MA
 * Francis Klein - WI
 * Daniel Gorski - NY

Excused
 * GA

Unexcused
 * CA
 * WA

Probation
 * CA
 * WA

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

 * Lindsay-Anne Brunner - Captain
 * Daniel Gorski - Quartermaster

2 - PROCEEDINGS

 * Meeting called to order at: 9:08 pm EDT
 * Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
 * Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
 * Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
 * Logging Enabled: Yes

3 - Review of previous minutes
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_10/2/13

IT Committee

 * Nothing to report
 * Next meeting October 12th at 7:00 pm EDT

5 - Agenda Items

 * Probation of non-active PNC members
 * Proposal: Convention Committee formation, focus, and scope, where a document with the committee's purpose and charter shall be presented
 * Proposal: Content Committee formation, focus, and scope
 * Press release re: gov shutdown

- AOB -

 * Next meeting: October 23 at 9:00 PM EDT
 * Meeting closed: 10:54 PM EDT

Logs of the Meeting
Oct 09 21:09:11       Time is now 9:08PM EDT, please identify for the record with name, state of residence and role. Oct 09 21:09:22       Lindsay-Anne Brunner, NY, Capt. Oct 09 21:09:36        I also call the meeting to order Oct 09 21:09:39        Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NY Rep Oct 09 21:09:49       Steven Smith, FL Rep Oct 09 21:09:56 *       lavender (~purplepet@m-14-778-693-64.hsd7.ut.comcast.net) has joined #pnc Oct 09 21:10:16        Kyle DeVore, Oregon Rep Oct 09 21:11:00        Lucia Fiero MA rep Oct 09 21:11:29        Francis Klein, WI Oct 09 21:11:42        FrancisKlein: are you the representative for WI tonight? Oct 09 21:11:53        yes Oct 09 21:12:02       Thanks for clarifying. Oct 09 21:12:39       If you all don't mind, please check over the agenda to ensure it's correct for tonight Oct 09 21:13:52       Sounds good. Oct 09 21:14:05 *       kusanagi gives voice to Bluestreak Oct 09 21:15:10        Looks good to me Oct 09 21:15:11        ping FrancisKlein MrSquared Bluestreak Oct 09 21:15:21        yes good Oct 09 21:15:24        looks fine Oct 09 21:15:31        Looks good Oct 09 21:15:49       Awesome, first up, IT committee.. Oct 09 21:15:54       Anyone from IT here? Oct 09 21:16:15        Ummm... Oct 09 21:16:19        let me call him. Oct 09 21:17:33        no answer, so I'm going to say no Oct 09 21:17:41         I don't think there was a meeting - again Oct 09 21:17:52        or at least not a sucessful one Oct 09 21:18:06        oh wait Oct 09 21:18:30        on the phone with him - IT meeting did not happen. nothing to report. Oct 09 21:18:37       Even if there's two people, there should be something going on. Oct 09 21:19:01       Time for the meetings are at 7pm on Saturday Eastern time, right? Oct 09 21:19:07 <FrancisKlein>       yes. Oct 09 21:19:22 <FrancisKlein>       He says we will get his act together and set up what is needed tonight for a meeting on Sat. Oct 09 21:19:40 <FrancisKlein>       This is Bosun I'm talking about, by the way Oct 09 21:19:43       Interesting choice of wording there Oct 09 21:19:48       lol Oct 09 21:20:09       There should be access to the site, even if it's just the wordpress logins Oct 09 21:20:42       I'd like good news before next Wednesday, pretty please Oct 09 21:20:57 <FrancisKlein>       He has been notified Oct 09 21:21:08       Thank you Oct 09 21:21:35 *       MattW (webchat@143.236.prw.hs) has joined #pnc Oct 09 21:21:45       That's all for IT. Oct 09 21:22:01       Moving onward to the agenda items Oct 09 21:22:16 *       tsquar3d (webchat@737-750-99-468.umts.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca) has joined #pnc Oct 09 21:22:47       first up Oct 09 21:22:56        Probation of non-active PNC members Oct 09 21:23:13       We have spoken at extreme lengths about this Oct 09 21:24:07 <Bluestreak>       Aye Oct 09 21:24:16       Any additional comments or motions? Oct 09 21:26:29 *       USPPGuest90 (webchat@56-54-210-158.static.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has joined #pnc Oct 09 21:26:58 *       USPPGuest90 has quit (Quit: Web client closed) Oct 09 21:27:32 <MrSquared>       Well, do we have any plan of action? Oct 09 21:27:42 <OyajiVyse>       as we went over in the past, the states in question would be put on probation Oct 09 21:27:47 <OyajiVyse>       for a month Oct 09 21:27:51 <Bluestreak>       Let's do it. Oct 09 21:28:06       someone's gotta make the motion Oct 09 21:28:10 <FrancisKlein>       Note for the chair - This is midterms week for me, I have not created the documents I promised. As that is the case, I would appreciate the postponing of those subjects until any other business has been taken care of. Oct 09 21:28:35       FrancisKlein: understood Oct 09 21:29:30 <Bluestreak>       I move we place non active PNC members on one month's probation Oct 09 21:29:57       Bluestreak: please specify which members, for the record Oct 09 21:30:10 <Bluestreak>       California Oct 09 21:30:29 <Bluestreak>       OK I don't remember who else. Oct 09 21:30:47 <Bluestreak>       (lilhelp?) Oct 09 21:30:53       IIRC, Washington is has been inactive enough to count. Oct 09 21:30:55       OK was fully removed from the PNC Oct 09 21:31:20       Don't mind the improper grammar, please. Oct 09 21:31:52       I didn't notice till you pointed it out Oct 09 21:33:20       Bluestreak: gonna ask that you redo the motion. Oct 09 21:33:41 <Bluestreak>       crafting Oct 09 21:34:13 <Bluestreak>       I move we place PNC members California and Washington on one month's probation for inactivity. Oct 09 21:34:52 <OyajiVyse>       second Oct 09 21:34:57       I'll accept that Oct 09 21:34:59       and boom Oct 09 21:35:13       All in favor? Oct 09 21:35:14 <OyajiVyse>       aye Oct 09 21:35:16 <FrancisKlein>       aye Oct 09 21:35:19       Aye. Oct 09 21:35:20 <MrSquared>       aye Oct 09 21:36:05 <Bluestreak>       aye Oct 09 21:36:26       Vote called. Tally? Oct 09 21:36:35 <OyajiVyse>       5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Oct 09 21:36:47 <OyajiVyse>       ayes have it, motion passed Oct 09 21:37:08       Please note that WA and CA are on probation for one month. Oct 09 21:37:18       Further attempt to CA will be made. Oct 09 21:37:24       contact CA* Oct 09 21:37:58 <Bluestreak>       I FBed Jeff Taleda Oct 09 21:38:16 <Bluestreak>       Talada Oct 09 21:38:46       Thank you Oct 09 21:41:10 <Bluestreak>       (He's not on right now) Oct 09 21:41:25       FrancisKlein: are you perchance ready? Oct 09 21:41:31 <FrancisKlein>       no Oct 09 21:41:33 <FrancisKlein>        i wish Oct 09 21:41:46 <FrancisKlein>       working on it, though Oct 09 21:42:42 <FrancisKlein>       Did you have anything about the PR? Oct 09 21:43:10       I did not -- no one stayed after the meeting and Toby woke up. Oct 09 21:44:21       If someone has something written from the state parties sites, we can cross post it Oct 09 21:44:34        PPGA just did, if you've not seen the site Oct 09 21:47:42 <Bluestreak>       I'm sorry... PR? Oct 09 21:48:17       Press release Oct 09 21:48:18 *       Roguejakex_ (webchat@193.235.wt.tls) has joined #pnc Oct 09 21:49:40 *       Roguejakex has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 09 21:50:08 <Bluestreak>       OK ty Oct 09 21:50:12        no problem Oct 09 21:53:00 *       Roguejakex_ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 09 21:54:08       FrancisKlein: when do you think you'll complete the documents? We can hold off the meeting for a bit, but not very long. Oct 09 21:54:31 <FrancisKlein>       I can complete convention committee very soon, next 15 minutes. Oct 09 21:55:02       And content? Oct 09 21:55:29 <FrancisKlein>       I move that my motion for the content committee be postponed for one meeting further, at which time I will bring forward a document with a clear purpose and charter of the suggested committee. Oct 09 21:56:01 <MrSquared>       second Oct 09 21:56:15       You are aware that the next meeting is October 23rd, yes? Oct 09 21:56:21 <FrancisKlein>       yes Oct 09 21:57:56       Would it be possible to distribute thecontent documents over SAB before that? Oct 09 21:58:04 <FrancisKlein>       yes. Oct 09 21:58:06 <FrancisKlein>       It will be done Oct 09 21:58:35       Hopefully before Wednesday? Oct 09 21:58:58       :D Oct 09 22:02:04 <MrSquared>       i think i can only stick around for about 10 more minutes, will you need me to vote on anything? Oct 09 22:02:16       Possibly Oct 09 22:02:20 *       FrancisKlein has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 09 22:03:00       Also, as the motion was seconded, the content committee motion(s) will be placed on Oct 23's agenda Oct 09 22:03:20 <Bluestreak>       noted Oct 09 22:03:57 *       FrancisKlein (webchat@14-880-49-08.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) has joined #pnc Oct 09 22:04:01 <FrancisKlein>       sorry Oct 09 22:05:53       no problem Oct 09 22:10:09       FrancisKlein: finished? Oct 09 22:10:15 <FrancisKlein>       soooo close Oct 09 22:12:09       I can give you five more minutes Oct 09 22:12:24       if anyone wants a quick recess, you amy so move Oct 09 22:12:26       may* Oct 09 22:12:27 <FrancisKlein>       uploading Oct 09 22:12:32       Or not lol Oct 09 22:12:34 <FrancisKlein>       give me one more minute Oct 09 22:13:05 <FrancisKlein>       sorry guys Oct 09 22:13:14       I can wait. Oct 09 22:13:22 <Bluestreak>       I will FB. Trying to debate economics with my Captain, who has an economics degree. Oct 09 22:13:29 <Bluestreak>       Ping me to get my attn Oct 09 22:14:29 <FrancisKlein>       http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee Oct 09 22:14:36 <FrancisKlein>       kusanagi Oct 09 22:14:38 <FrancisKlein>       bluestreak Oct 09 22:15:25 *       Bosun (~Bosun@pzed-90-35-978-39.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #pnc Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein>       done Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein>       hello bosun Oct 09 22:15:25 <Bosun>       late to the party. Oct 09 22:15:25 <FrancisKlein>       again, for everyone, here is the link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/174944369/Convention-Committee Oct 09 22:16:46 <FrancisKlein>       ping kusanagi, bluestreak, narrenburg, MrSquared Oct 09 22:16:47       Bosun: identify for the record, please Oct 09 22:16:51 <FrancisKlein>       oh cool Oct 09 22:16:58 <FrancisKlein>       did you get the link? Oct 09 22:16:58 <Bluestreak>       Look it over Oct 09 22:16:58 <MrSquared>       reading Oct 09 22:17:02 <FrancisKlein>       cool Oct 09 22:17:16       Thanks, reading atm Oct 09 22:17:19 <FrancisKlein>       wanted to make sure it had worked Oct 09 22:17:23 <Bosun>       Joseph T. Klein, Wisconsin, IT Oct 09 22:18:11        Thanks Oct 09 22:18:45 <FrancisKlein>       please let me know if I forgot something in the charter - I am not perfect, and I was making it rushedly Oct 09 22:19:49       May I ask the purpose of the last point of the second section? Oct 09 22:19:55 <OyajiVyse>       point of information - aren't the Election Committee and the Convention Committee one and the same? Oct 09 22:20:23 <FrancisKlein>       OyajiVyse, they are not - see pnc bylaws referenced Oct 09 22:20:43 <FrancisKlein>       narrenburg - to stay in line with our three main points Oct 09 22:20:55 <FrancisKlein>       *government accountability and transparency Oct 09 22:21:01 <FrancisKlein>       it can change, if so wished Oct 09 22:21:22 <Bluestreak>       Thank you, FrancisKlein Oct 09 22:21:28 <FrancisKlein>       of course Oct 09 22:21:39 <FrancisKlein>       np Oct 09 22:22:00 <FrancisKlein>        OyajiVyse, do you want me to explain further? Oct 09 22:23:04 <OyajiVyse>       no, I understand, but considering how small we are, my guess is that there would be such an overlap between Election and Convention Committees Oct 09 22:23:19 <OyajiVyse>       that it would make more sense to just combine the two committees Oct 09 22:23:37 <FrancisKlein>       i agree, but it specifically says election committee is elected by the PNC Oct 09 22:23:45 <FrancisKlein>       and is only for that one week's purpose Oct 09 22:23:58 <FrancisKlein>       convention committee would be volunteer, I imagine Oct 09 22:24:36 <FrancisKlein>       hello? Oct 09 22:24:38 <FrancisKlein>       ok Oct 09 22:24:40 <FrancisKlein>        weird Oct 09 22:24:40       FrancisKlein is right there Oct 09 22:24:44 <FrancisKlein>       it wasn't letting me type Oct 09 22:25:04 <FrancisKlein>       volunteer/appointed Oct 09 22:26:28 *       kusanagi nods Oct 09 22:27:18 <FrancisKlein>       if there are no objections, I would like to make the motion Oct 09 22:27:24 <FrancisKlein>       unless there is more discussion of course Oct 09 22:28:52       Just one thing Oct 09 22:29:32       Are the elections committee and the convention committee to be mutually exclusive? Oct 09 22:29:53 <FrancisKlein>       I don't believe so Oct 09 22:30:10 <FrancisKlein>        They function during different times of the same meeting Oct 09 22:30:16 <FrancisKlein>       I don't see why they would have to be Oct 09 22:31:16        Thank you Oct 09 22:31:31 <FrancisKlein>       np Oct 09 22:31:49 <MrSquared>        ok guys i really need to go Oct 09 22:31:58 <FrancisKlein>        may I make the motion, then? Oct 09 22:32:04       Yes Oct 09 22:32:21 <FrancisKlein>       I move that the PNC create a convention committee under the subcommittee bylaws of the PNC with the specific purpose of organizing the logistics and recruiting help for setting up each Pirate convention set forth by either motion or bylaws of the PNC. Oct 09 22:32:44 <OyajiVyse>       second Oct 09 22:32:53       motion made, all in favor? Oct 09 22:32:56 <FrancisKlein>       aye Oct 09 22:32:59 <MrSquared>       aye Oct 09 22:33:00 <OyajiVyse>       aye Oct 09 22:34:25       Bluestreak, narrenburg Oct 09 22:34:38 <Bluestreak>       aye Oct 09 22:34:41       Aye Oct 09 22:35:06       vote called, tally? Oct 09 22:35:13 <OyajiVyse>       5 aye, 0 nay, 0 abstain Oct 09 22:35:19 <OyajiVyse>       ayes have it, motion passed Oct 09 22:35:46       Wonderful. Convention committee created Oct 09 22:36:05       Meeting time? Oct 09 22:36:10 <MrSquared>       alright talks to you guys later, sorry i have to go Oct 09 22:36:16 *        MrSquared has quit (Quit: Web client closed) Oct 09 22:36:16 <OyajiVyse>       thanks for coming Oct 09 22:36:25       MrSquared: that's fine, have a good night Oct 09 22:37:22       FrancisKlein: is there a meeting time announced? Oct 09 22:37:31 <FrancisKlein>       ummm... Oct 09 22:37:48 <FrancisKlein>       Saturday would be good I think Oct 09 22:37:52       What time? Oct 09 22:38:43 <FrancisKlein>       When is the IT meeting Oct 09 22:38:45 <FrancisKlein>       7? Oct 09 22:38:50       yes Oct 09 22:39:02 <FrancisKlein>       8:00, then Oct 09 22:39:08       Eastern? Oct 09 22:39:16 <FrancisKlein>       if the 7 is eastern, then yes Oct 09 22:39:20       awesome Oct 09 22:39:24 <FrancisKlein>       cool Oct 09 22:39:49 <FrancisKlein>       Convention committee meeting at 8pm Eastern on Saturday October 12th Oct 09 22:40:10 <Bluestreak>       Where pls? Oct 09 22:40:53 <FrancisKlein>       IRC, #uspp-con Oct 09 22:41:21 <FrancisKlein>       I will send out a reminder on SAB on Friday Oct 09 22:41:29 <FrancisKlein>       would Friday be a good time for a reminder? Oct 09 22:41:34       I believe so Oct 09 22:41:41 <FrancisKlein>        ok Oct 09 22:41:42 <FrancisKlein>        done Oct 09 22:41:52 <Bluestreak>       Yay SAB post Oct 09 22:41:57 <FrancisKlein>       YAY Oct 09 22:41:59 <FrancisKlein>       :D Oct 09 22:42:23 <FrancisKlein>       I move to adjourn Oct 09 22:42:29       no Oct 09 22:42:34 <FrancisKlein>        oh Oct 09 22:42:35 <FrancisKlein>        right Oct 09 22:42:36       One announcement Oct 09 22:42:40 <FrancisKlein>       ok Oct 09 22:42:55        Also, if you want to write up a socmed post too, that would be great, along with a point of contact Oct 09 22:43:12 <Bluestreak>       Good point Oct 09 22:43:19 <FrancisKlein>       socmed? Oct 09 22:43:23 <Bluestreak>       FB Oct 09 22:43:23 <FrancisKlein>        oh Oct 09 22:43:25 <Bluestreak>        Twitter Oct 09 22:43:25 <OyajiVyse>       social media Oct 09 22:43:25 <FrancisKlein>       yeah Oct 09 22:43:27 <FrancisKlein>       of course Oct 09 22:43:36 <FrancisKlein>       took me a second, sorry Oct 09 22:43:44 <Bluestreak>       What is your email FrancisKlein? Oct 09 22:43:50 <FrancisKlein>       fjk@wipp.coop Oct 09 22:43:56 <Bluestreak>       TY Oct 09 22:44:02 <FrancisKlein>        and yes, that one is good for public record Oct 09 22:44:04 <FrancisKlein>       just fyi Oct 09 22:44:21 *       Bosun has quit (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) Oct 09 22:44:35       Awesome Oct 09 22:44:57 *       tsquar3d is now known as tsquar3d-afk Oct 09 22:45:24       So, AOB. Anyone have anything before we close up? Oct 09 22:45:30 <FrancisKlein>       nope Oct 09 22:45:41 <FrancisKlein>       Oh wait... yes I do Oct 09 22:46:18 <OyajiVyse>       just a quick thing: not sure if mentioned before, but TPP is something I'll bring up over SAB Oct 09 22:46:27 <OyajiVyse>       https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp Oct 09 22:47:37 <FrancisKlein>       Just a general announcement - My campaign is going well, building our volunteer base. If any of you are willing to help out with the campaign (you don't need to live in WI) please email me, I would love to bring you on board. My email is fjk@wipp.coop Oct 09 22:47:58       thanks guys Oct 09 22:48:13 <FrancisKlein>       Also, I will be organizing a panel discussion within the next month for my campaign, would like PNC ppl there, will give more detail later Oct 09 22:48:27 <FrancisKlein>       that's it Oct 09 22:49:03        One thing from me: depending on how next wednesday goes, I may be forced to take more time away from the Pirates than I'd like Oct 09 22:49:19 <Bluestreak>       I hope it goes well, then. Oct 09 22:49:27 <FrancisKlein>       good luck. :) Oct 09 22:49:57       I've been waiting for a call back from the office in regard to the procedure, because there's a chance he may try to "stabilize" my wrist Oct 09 22:50:05        Which is very undesired. Oct 09 22:50:22        If in the case that happens, I will have no option but to resign. Oct 09 22:50:46 <FrancisKlein>        no typing abilities? Oct 09 22:50:54        FrancisKlein: pretty much, yeah. Oct 09 22:51:04 <FrancisKlein>        Learn to type with your toes! Oct 09 22:51:06 <FrancisKlein>        :D Oct 09 22:51:21        That would be very, very humorous to see Oct 09 22:51:28 <FrancisKlein>        My cat does it all the time Oct 09 22:51:42 <Bluestreak>        Do what you have to do. Oct 09 22:51:48        Mine too! and one types with his tail! Oct 09 22:51:57        Bluestreak, FrancisKlein thanks for the well-wishes Oct 09 22:52:01 <FrancisKlein>        Indeed - cats are humorous that way Oct 09 22:52:04       That's all from me Oct 09 22:52:07 <FrancisKlein>        of course Oct 09 22:52:18 <Bluestreak>       Are we done? Oct 09 22:52:26       Nope, someone has to move to adjourn Oct 09 22:52:28 <FrancisKlein>       in that case, I move to adjourn Oct 09 22:52:30       :S Oct 09 22:52:33 <Bluestreak>       2nd Oct 09 22:52:46       motion seconded, all in favor? Oct 09 22:52:48 <FrancisKlein>       aye Oct 09 22:52:50 <Bluestreak>       aye Oct 09 22:52:55 <OyajiVyse>       aye Oct 09 22:54:03       vote called. tally? Oct 09 22:54:16 <OyajiVyse>       3 aye, 0 nay, 1 abstain Oct 09 22:54:19 <OyajiVyse>       ayes have it Oct 09 22:54:27 <OyajiVyse>        Have a goodnight all Oct 09 22:54:31 <FrancisKlein>       goodnight peeps Oct 09 22:54:33 <Bluestreak>       Good night! Oct 09 22:54:35 <FrancisKlein>       or pirates Oct 09 22:54:36       Have a good night, next meeting is Oct 23