PNC 9/25/13

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
 * --- 9/25/2013 21:00h EDT ---
 * IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
 * Room: #pnc
 * Wiki: http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/25/2013

Minutes
IT Committee Report

Discussion of US involvement in Syria
 * The US shouldn't be the enforcement arm of the UN
 * The US going to war should be the will of the people and not a few
 * All the facts should be out in the open for everyone to see
 * Less classification, more open debate
 * The pressure should be to stop the flow of munitions to both sides
 * Let the Syrians democratically sort out Syrian politics
 * Statement regarding Syria to be drafted by next week

Discussion of content for the main site
 * Content available to be posted on site, site access may be an issue
 * Joseph Klein given access to post on site

AOB

1.1 - Members of the PNC
Attending
 * WI - Francis Klein
 * FL - Steven Smith
 * OR - Kyle DeVore
 * WA - Jeffrey Talada
 * NY - Daniel Gorski

Excused
 * N/A

Unexcused
 * First Mate - Caleb Langeslag
 * CA
 * GA

Probation
 * N/A

1.2 - At Large Members of the PNC

 * MD - Joseph Yaworski

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

 * Captain - Lindsay Anne Brunner
 * Quartermaster - Daniel Gorski

1.4 - Other Attendess

 * IT Commitee - Joseph Klein
 * International Observer - Andrew Paolucci
 * Pete Fein

2 - PROCEEDINGS

 * Meeting called to order at: 9:17pm EDT
 * Meeting chaired by Lindsay-Anne Brunner
 * Secretary for this meeting is Daniel Gorski
 * Quorum is established: 5 out of 8 Members present
 * Logging Enabled: Yes

3 - Review of previous minutes
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_9/11/2013

IT Committee

 * Joseph Klein received password for site
 * Next meeting will be: Saturday, September 28th at 7pm EDT
 * Jospeh Yaworski volunteered to help IT committee

5 - Agenda Items

 * Discussion of US involvement in Syria


 * Discussion of content for the main site

- AOB -

 * Update on WIPP campaign for governor
 * Interview given with Madison newspaper
 * Delegation to volunteers a success


 * Proposals for IT committee to investigate the possibility of creating a news feed on the USPP website which gathers updates from the state sites, and report back to the PNC by next meeting.


 * Fix the page https://uspirates.org/platform/
 * The committee should report on the progress of this fix by next meeting.


 * Change the bottom of the uspirates page to reflect only those state parties which currently exist by deleting the links to those that do not, and that they report on any progress before or during the next meeting.


 * Reform the Content Committee
 * Francis volunteered to lead


 * Discuss hosting European Pirates


 * Specification of position on issues


 * Formation of Convention Committee


 * stopwatching.us rally next month
 * Asked for USPP endorsement, given by Brunner on behalf; would like state party endorsements
 * Pete Fein / @wearpants / http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17914501
 * https://rally.stopwatching.us


 * Consider removal of non-active states from PNC
 * There have been several states who appear non-responsive to communications and have not sent a representative to PNC meetings as required.
 * Meetings have been harder to start as such.


 * Washington is requesting help on developing a candidate questionnaire: http://piratepad.net/Wa6qPubnpZ

Logs of the Meeting
Sep 25 21:17:55       time is now 9:17, I call this meeting of the national committee of the united states pirate party to order Sep 25 21:18:15       Please identify with your full name, state of representation or residence. Sep 25 21:18:51       Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Capt., Ny Sep 25 21:18:52         Francis Klein, WI Sep 25 21:18:56        Steven Smith, FL Sep 25 21:19:08         Daniel Gorski, Quartermaster, NY Rep Sep 25 21:19:39        Kyle DeVore, OR Sep 25 21:19:55         Joseph Klein, WI Sep 25 21:21:27        To clear for the record, Bosun, you're here for IT, and FrancisKlein you're here as the rep? Sep 25 21:21:36         yep. Sep 25 21:21:41        correct Sep 25 21:21:52       QuazarGuy: are you in? Sep 25 21:22:45        Jeffrey Talada, Washington Sep 25 21:22:50       awesome Sep 25 21:23:12       So, first thing up Sep 25 21:23:18        Bosun: what's happening with IT? Sep 25 21:24:28        I still have yet to get password. - I'll put out the red lights and flashing signs for Saturdays meeting and I ask everyone interested to attend. Sep 25 21:24:54       Password for? Sep 25 21:25:01        website. Sep 25 21:25:13       You're serious. Sep 25 21:25:18        yes Sep 25 21:25:21       Caled still hasn't given it. Sep 25 21:25:31        no Sep 25 21:25:36        I'm PMing you his number right now. Sep 25 21:26:07       I'll also schedule some posts.. maybe that will help out Sep 25 21:26:46        kusanagi? May I make a motion? Sep 25 21:27:19       go right ahead Sep 25 21:27:23        Pursuant to fixing the situation with the IT committee, I move that the PNC unanimously direct Caleb to immediately give the website password to Bosun. Sep 25 21:27:38        unless there are objections, of course Sep 25 21:28:12        Let me call him ... Sep 25 21:28:24       We can have Bosun call him Sep 25 21:28:49        I think he already did... Sep 25 21:29:14 <Bosun>       again Sep 25 21:29:29       Joseph Yaworski, MD. I'd like to volunteer my knowledge and skills to IT if needed. I work as a professional SysAdmin. Let me know if I can be of assistance. Sep 25 21:30:07       Any help we can get is needed Sep 25 21:30:39 <Bosun>       If you can attend Saturday and also Francis to discuss content. My number is 414 628-3380 and mail is Bosun@wipp.coop Sep 25 21:31:00 <FrancisKlein>       yes. Sep 25 21:31:14 <FrancisKlein>       seeing no second to my motion, I retract said motion Sep 25 21:31:24       Bosun: this is a logged meeting, if you want that stuck from the record, since there's personal information Sep 25 21:31:40 <Bosun>       Yes I don't mind. Sep 25 21:31:49       Ok. Sep 25 21:31:53       just double checking Sep 25 21:32:10 <Bosun>       I will not hide under a rock. Sep 25 21:32:37       understandable... unlike others around here.. Sep 25 21:33:45       Does the IT people want to say anything more? Perhaps the time of the meeting, so I don't mess it up again while posting? Sep 25 21:33:49 <QuazarGuy>       I'm not sure chairs get to make quips Sep 25 21:34:12 <Bosun>       Next Meeting on Saturday 5pm Eastern 6pm Central 7pm Mountain 8pm Pacific. Sep 25 21:34:23 <Bosun>       I appoligise. Sep 25 21:35:34       Wait, is that backward? Sep 25 21:36:21 <Bosun>       No … the rock statement feed the beast. Sep 25 21:36:33       I meant the times. Sep 25 21:36:42 <QuazarGuy>       The timezones are backward Bosun Sep 25 21:36:46 <Bosun>       ooops Sep 25 21:36:57       8pm eastern? Sep 25 21:37:14 <Bosun>       7 eastern six kentral 5 mountain 4 pacific Sep 25 21:37:25 <Bosun>       central Sep 25 21:37:35 <Bosun>       I'm bad Sep 25 21:37:40       okay, 7 Eastern. I'll have it posted Sep 25 21:37:55       no worries, as long as the record and I have it right, all is good Sep 25 21:40:38       okay, that said Sep 25 21:40:44       moving onward to the items Sep 25 21:41:10       Discussion of US involvement in Syria is first Sep 25 21:42:28       Point of order: switching to Xchat Sep 25 21:42:33       OyajiVyse: did you have sometihng more, ah, specific? Sep 25 21:42:38       narrenburg: go ahead. Sep 25 21:42:41 *       narrenburg has quit Sep 25 21:43:37 *       narrenburg (~sharon@k-57-020-633-55.hsd8.fl.comcast.net) has joined #pnc Sep 25 21:43:54 <FrancisKlein>       who put this discussion item on the agenda? Sep 25 21:43:57       He did. Sep 25 21:44:06 <FrancisKlein>       narrenburg? Sep 25 21:44:09       No, OyajiVyse Sep 25 21:44:12 <FrancisKlein>       oh Sep 25 21:44:13 <FrancisKlein>        ok Sep 25 21:44:24 <FrancisKlein>        gotcha Sep 25 21:44:39       If anyone wants to bring up anything in regard to that topic, though, go straight ahead Sep 25 21:44:40       yes Sep 25 21:44:45 <OyajiVyse>       well, basically, what stance do we take on it, and how is it affected by the whole debaucle with PRISM Sep 25 21:45:20 <OyajiVyse>       overstepping bounds and lack of transparency, I felt it was appropriate to bring up Sep 25 21:45:29 <FrancisKlein>        fair enough. Sep 25 21:45:30 <QuazarGuy>       I don't see how PRISM affects Syria Sep 25 21:45:52 <Bosun>       PRISM pissed of the UK Parlament Sep 25 21:45:56 <OyajiVyse>       not directly, but all of this happening within the span of a few months doesn't exactly put the US in the brightest of lights Sep 25 21:46:24 <QuazarGuy>       that's because the government is doing shady things Sep 25 21:46:36 <FrancisKlein>       The US was never in the brightest of lights, but nonetheless, they are two separate issues. Sep 25 21:46:36 <QuazarGuy>       that's why we're here Sep 25 21:47:00 <FrancisKlein>       We should put out a public position on syria and on PRISM in my opinion Sep 25 21:47:17 <FrancisKlein>       although Syria is tricky Sep 25 21:47:41       A PRISM statement is three months overdue, so I echo FrancisKlein's point. Sep 25 21:47:43 <Bosun>       \ in International relations all issues are intertwined. Sep 25 21:48:04       We did a statement for prism, iirc Sep 25 21:48:13       Do we really want to make a statement on foreign policy at this time? I believe we should stick to out strengths. Sep 25 21:48:20       *our Sep 25 21:48:49 <FrancisKlein>       Yes, i believe we can't make a foreign policy statement soon enough Sep 25 21:49:02 <FrancisKlein>       the more concrete we are about our statements the better Sep 25 21:49:09 <FrancisKlein>       but we don't have to be for or against Sep 25 21:49:20       The acronym "PRISM" in relation to the National Security Agency was publicized after the 8th of June, which is when the last USPP press release was published. Sep 25 21:49:21 <QuazarGuy>       we're for actual democracy, we could say we'd support the people of Syria taking command of their own futures Sep 25 21:49:33 <OyajiVyse>       we do also need content for the site Sep 25 21:49:36 <FrancisKlein>       we could even write two or three positions based on the different views within the party Sep 25 21:49:54       So, no, there's no public position on PRISM specifically. Sep 25 21:49:57       We need a consistent message at the national level. Sep 25 21:50:33 <QuazarGuy>       No PRISM would be a good start Sep 25 21:50:38 <Bosun>       Spying on people is bad Sep 25 21:50:47       m'kay Sep 25 21:50:52 <FrancisKlein>       Yes and no... we should have a consistent message, but we can still point out the validities in the opposition argument Sep 25 21:51:09 <FrancisKlein>       I feel that our democratic open debate is one of the strenghts of our party - Sep 25 21:51:11 <QuazarGuy>       of which there are none Sep 25 21:51:29 <FrancisKlein>       I'm talking about Syria, not PRISM Sep 25 21:51:43 <FrancisKlein>       on PRISM, i agree Sep 25 21:51:45 <FrancisKlein>       completely Sep 25 21:52:26 <FrancisKlein>       I'm trying to say that publishing a comprehensive 'guide Sep 25 21:52:27 <QuazarGuy>       let's pick one to talk about Sep 25 21:52:41 <FrancisKlein>       as it were about our position on one issue would be awesome Sep 25 21:52:53 <FrancisKlein>       and we could acknowledge the counter argument Sep 25 21:53:02 <FrancisKlein>       yes, let's pick a topic Sep 25 21:53:03 <FrancisKlein>       sorry Sep 25 21:53:31       we're on syria currently Sep 25 21:53:35       try to keep it there Sep 25 21:53:40 <FrancisKlein>       ok Sep 25 21:54:25 <FrancisKlein>        I believe that US intervention should only be following a UN declaration of such intervention Sep 25 21:54:35 <FrancisKlein>       i.e., follow international law. Sep 25 21:54:52 <FrancisKlein>       (which the US seems really, really bad at doing) Sep 25 21:55:22       Seems pretty ironic since the GA's in NYC and the US pretty much made the UN. Sep 25 21:55:22 <OyajiVyse>       agreed, there wasn't any need for US to intervene directly Sep 25 21:55:24 <Bosun>       Syria is being dictated by the missteps taken over the last decade. Finally we are talking about Congress having war powers and stepping away from a unitary executive. Sep 25 21:55:56 <Bosun>       But the necons still rant. Sep 25 21:56:05 <Bosun>       neocons .. Sep 25 21:56:15 <QuazarGuy>       The US shouldn't be the enforcement arm of the UN Sep 25 21:56:32        QuazarGuy: agreed fully Sep 25 21:56:40 <QuazarGuy>       there are UN peacekeeper forces Sep 25 21:56:44 <Bosun>       ever read Empire? Sep 25 21:57:49 <Bosun>       Empire Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun>       Book by Antonio Negri Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun>       Empire is a book by post-Marxist philosophers Antonio Negri and Michael Hardt. Written in the mid-1990s, it was published in 2000 and quickly sold beyond its expectations as an academic work. Wikipedia Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun>       Published: 2000 Sep 25 21:57:50 <Bosun>       Authors: Antonio Negri, Michael Hardt Sep 25 21:57:51 <Bosun>       Followed by: Multitude: War and Democracy in the Age of Empire Sep 25 21:58:12       Please stay on course Sep 25 21:58:25 <FrancisKlein>       I'm sure it is, knowing Bosun Sep 25 21:59:01 <FrancisKlein>       he will now explain how Empire is an analogy to our situation in Syria - or what we should not do Sep 25 21:59:48 <QuazarGuy>        did the Syrians vote in US elections? why should they treat our forces as legitimate? Sep 25 22:00:05 <Bosun>       The US acts like the Roman pro console for the global economic empire. Sep 25 22:00:13 <FrancisKlein>       Im not arguing they should Sep 25 22:00:19 <Bosun>       is the point of the book. Sep 25 22:00:56 <FrancisKlein>       quazarguy, I completely agree - my point was that the US should not act at all until the UN says we should. Sep 25 22:00:59 <Bosun>       Pour gins into Syria or troops is not the answer. Sep 25 22:01:05 <FrancisKlein>       not act once the UN says syria is wrong Sep 25 22:01:37 <Bosun>       Pouring guns. … god I cannot type on this thing. Sep 25 22:01:45 <QuazarGuy>       the UN doesn't have the authority to send countries to war Sep 25 22:02:22 <QuazarGuy>       the UN can't order a country to do anything Sep 25 22:02:26 <FrancisKlein>       true Sep 25 22:02:30 <Bosun>       The authority at the UN comes from its sovereign members. Sep 25 22:02:52 <QuazarGuy>       their goal is to get countries to talk and come to concensus Sep 25 22:02:54 <Bosun>       It has no authority except by treaty. Sep 25 22:03:02       Even though the directions of the UN are just resolutions, they still carry important messages. Sep 25 22:03:34       And if you don't adhere to them, you're seen as an entity which doesn't follow international law. Sep 25 22:03:51 <Bosun>       The pressure should be to stop the floe of munitions to both sides. Sep 25 22:04:13 <QuazarGuy>       that I'll agree with Sep 25 22:04:33 <Bosun>       International Law is just traditional conventions. Sep 25 22:05:50 <Bosun>       Who in the opposition is talking about building a democratic nation? Sep 25 22:06:20 <QuazarGuy>       there are many opposition groups Sep 25 22:06:37 <QuazarGuy>       several are fed weapons by the US Sep 25 22:07:06 <Bosun>        So why are we not transparent about who we send arms to? Sep 25 22:07:34 *       kusanagi gives voice to narrenburg Sep 25 22:07:49 <QuazarGuy>       I think that transparency ends with the US, every other country in the world knows Sep 25 22:07:50 <Bosun>       Or money for that matter? Sep 25 22:09:11 <Bosun>       This should be what we are against. Who is making our choices. We want it to be the American people and not some faction at CIA or NSA headquarters. Sep 25 22:09:14       Various reasons, I'd guess. Personal favors, CIA stuff.. Sep 25 22:10:36 <Bosun>       we want all the cans of worms opened an dumped out. Sep 25 22:10:50 <FrancisKlein>       agreement with bosun on the who is making choices Sep 25 22:10:56 <FrancisKlein>       and WORMS!!! :D Sep 25 22:11:13 <Bosun>       IMHO - Sep 25 22:12:14 <QuazarGuy>       you're saying the US going to war should be the will of the people and not a few Sep 25 22:12:50 <Bosun>       Yes. Sep 25 22:13:14       This is how it is in a representative democracy; it is always the will of the few, even at the ostensible request of the Sep 25 22:13:17       "people." Sep 25 22:14:09       Take Dianne Feinstein, who said that the supermajority of her constituents didn't support the war, but then said "but they don't know what I know. They don't go to the briefings." Which are, by the way, classified. Sep 25 22:14:23 <Bosun>       We have note declared war since 1941. Sep 25 22:14:41 <Bosun>       not Sep 25 22:14:42       thats because you americans like to sneak attack Sep 25 22:14:49       or just go on "AID missions" Sep 25 22:14:52 <QuazarGuy>       all the facts should be out in the open for everyone to see Sep 25 22:14:58       adpaolucci: please identify Sep 25 22:15:28 *       kusanagi (~kusanagi@us.newyork.pirate) has left #pnc (Leaving) Sep 25 22:15:34 *       kusanagi (~kusanagi@us.newyork.pirate) has joined #pnc Sep 25 22:15:34 *       ChanServ gives channel operator status to kusanagi Sep 25 22:15:41       sorry, misclick Sep 25 22:15:53       I am Andrew Paolucci, outside international observer Sep 25 22:15:59       thank you Sep 25 22:16:11       the facts should be out there, but they are not. Sep 25 22:17:01 <Bosun>       And we should advocate for open public discourse and revelation of fact. Sep 25 22:17:19       Shall we put together a statement as such? Sep 25 22:17:52       One of our strengths is our strong commitment to radical transparency. Less classification, more open debate. Sep 25 22:17:52 <QuazarGuy>       I was copying some of the ideas to the pad Sep 25 22:18:38       QuazarGuy: thanks. Sep 25 22:20:40 <Bosun>       We should stick to a platform of the way government should operate and not get hung up on the ends. Ends are for religions and Bolsheviks. Sep 25 22:21:14 <QuazarGuy>       let the Syrians democratically sort out Syrian politics themselves Sep 25 22:21:39 <Bosun>       yes encourage negotiation Sep 25 22:22:12 <Bosun>       Killing just breeds more hate. Sep 25 22:22:26 *       Fatbag has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Sep 25 22:23:14 <QuazarGuy>       any outside intervention will be seen as illegitimate by the Syrians and will eventually lead to more civil unrest Sep 25 22:23:29       Just like Iraq? Sep 25 22:23:39 <QuazarGuy>       haha yeah Sep 25 22:24:42 <Bosun>       Syria was once the jewel of the Eastern Empire and later of Islam. It has a great tradition as a center of civilization. Sep 25 22:24:46       Not to cut this short, but we do have other items to get to. Sep 25 22:25:11 <Bosun>       I fall silent now. Sep 25 22:25:27       Should we work on a statement? Sep 25 22:25:31 <FrancisKlein>       do we need a motion to create a first draft statement? Sep 25 22:27:50       No, especially because we're not going to have time to finish a statement before closing Sep 25 22:27:53 <Bosun>       I suggest Motion to draft a statement by next week. Francis and I are willing to draft Sep 25 22:28:14       No motion required, I believe. Sep 25 22:29:06       May you piratenpad it, please? Sep 25 22:29:10       ^ Sep 25 22:29:30       Let us know the location of it, and hopefully something can be done by Friday or Saturday Sep 25 22:29:33 <Bosun>       yes and put on SAB Sep 25 22:29:34 <FrancisKlein>       did quazarguy already start a piratenpad? Sep 25 22:29:40 <QuazarGuy>       no Sep 25 22:29:48 <FrancisKlein>        ok i thought you said you did Sep 25 22:30:02 <FrancisKlein>       "I was copying some of the ideas to the pad" Sep 25 22:30:35 <QuazarGuy>       I have to go soon, Washington could use help writing up a candidate questionnaire, I will leave a link to the pad for it on the pad for this meeting Sep 25 22:30:54       FrancisKlein: he meant the agenda Sep 25 22:30:58 <FrancisKlein>       ok. thanks. we will have it done by next meeting Sep 25 22:31:01 <FrancisKlein>       yes i see that Sep 25 22:31:31       Okay, moving onward Sep 25 22:31:41       Discussion of content for the main site was next.. Sep 25 22:32:11 <FrancisKlein>       we need more content, and I need to post my candidacy stuff Sep 25 22:32:20 <FrancisKlein>       where on the website should I post? Sep 25 22:32:43 <FrancisKlein>       I have speeches and position papers everywhere Sep 25 22:33:36       If there's a PR for the candidacy, I can post it to social media Sep 25 22:33:45       the main site is under IT, and no password.. Sep 25 22:34:40 <FrancisKlein>       so... nobody can post content on site without IT password Sep 25 22:34:48 <FrancisKlein>       correct? Sep 25 22:34:51       From my understanding, yeah. Sep 25 22:34:57 <FrancisKlein>       that's what I was afraid of Sep 25 22:35:09 <FrancisKlein>        I thought caleb said we could post, just not edit site itself Sep 25 22:35:13 <FrancisKlein>       I should go try... Sep 25 22:35:26       Go ahead, maybe I was mistaken Sep 25 22:36:10 <FrancisKlein>       yeah I don't see anything at first glance Sep 25 22:36:22       :/ Sep 25 22:36:42       that's not what I hoped. Sep 25 22:37:13 <OyajiVyse>       I have access to the site Sep 25 22:37:22 <OyajiVyse>       tell me what you need, and I"ll post it Sep 25 22:37:45 <Bosun>        More sub delegation. Sep 25 22:38:01 <OyajiVyse>        can I give access to site? Sep 25 22:38:24 <Bosun>        I would like it. Sep 25 22:38:28        OyajiVyse: if you can, yeah Sep 25 22:38:32        go right ahead Sep 25 22:39:21 <Bosun>        you have my mail above Sep 25 22:40:36        noted Sep 25 22:41:06        are we good -- can we move to AOB? Sep 25 22:42:58 <FrancisKlein>        if bosun has access then we are good because we have the ability to post PR stuff Sep 25 22:43:25        just note that it's from PPWI in the top of the release, and we're good Sep 25 22:43:45 <OyajiVyse>        just set up Bosun Sep 25 22:43:45 <FrancisKlein>        of course Sep 25 22:43:50 <FrancisKlein>        awesome Sep 25 22:43:54        wonderful Sep 25 22:43:56 <OyajiVyse>        now waiting to see if I did it right lol Sep 25 22:44:15       FrancisKlein: how's the campaign moving/ Sep 25 22:44:25 <Bosun>       not master key … but a key Sep 25 22:44:57 <FrancisKlein>       campaign is moving well - got an interview with madison newspaper, will let you know when they publish Sep 25 22:45:37 <FrancisKlein>       starting to finally delegate to volunteers, looking forward to establishing a good base so that we can get more than the amount of sigs needed for ballot status Sep 25 22:46:04       good! Sep 25 22:46:07 <FrancisKlein>       At the rate we are working, website should be beautiful and fully operational within the month Sep 25 22:46:21 <FrancisKlein>       within A month, not by the end of Sept Sep 25 22:46:23 <FrancisKlein>       sorry Sep 25 22:46:46       gotcha Sep 25 22:46:47 <FrancisKlein>       and I have got my hands on a voter database for free Sep 25 22:47:08 <FrancisKlein>       so now we can use that to canvass/phonebank Sep 25 22:47:12 <FrancisKlein>       which will be wonderful Sep 25 22:47:33 <FrancisKlein>       I'm having people wright up scripts for phonebanking and canvassing Sep 25 22:47:34       awesome Sep 25 22:47:58 <FrancisKlein>       and I'm continuing to release position papers and deride scott walker on twitter in the nicest way possible Sep 25 22:48:17 <FrancisKlein>       so - all good news. Sep 25 22:48:28 <OyajiVyse>       12 minutes to end of meeting btw Sep 25 22:48:34 <FrancisKlein>       I just would like to reference you all to the facebook page - facebook.com/klein4wi Sep 25 22:48:48 <FrancisKlein>       hope you can like it and share it with friends. Sep 25 22:49:02 <FrancisKlein>       we may be a state race, but that does not mean that your support is useless. Sep 25 22:49:19       deriding in the nicest way possible, taking a page from my book ;) Sep 25 22:49:29 <FrancisKlein>        In fact, as a third party candidate that makes out of state support all the more important Sep 25 22:49:44 <FrancisKlein>        so please check out what we have going there Sep 25 22:49:48 <FrancisKlein>        thats it Sep 25 22:49:49 <FrancisKlein>         thanks Sep 25 22:49:50        awesome Sep 25 22:49:51 <FrancisKlein>        :) Sep 25 22:50:10       the next few things were IT specific Sep 25 22:50:16 <FrancisKlein>       yes indeed they were Sep 25 22:50:19       can those wait until saturday's IT meeting? Sep 25 22:50:56 <FrancisKlein>       if nobody has objections to them, I don't see why not. They do not have to be PNC motions if they still get done. Sep 25 22:51:14 <FrancisKlein>       But I think we should make sure that everyone agrees on those proposals Sep 25 22:51:29 <FrancisKlein>       otherwise I don't think addressing it outside of PNC is legitimate Sep 25 22:52:33 <OyajiVyse>       well if we can get through them in the next 8 minutes, I'm all for it Sep 25 22:52:36        IT is an extension of the PNC and has full authority to act however it needs to to accomplish its goals Sep 25 22:52:45 <FrancisKlein>       ok Sep 25 22:52:53 <FrancisKlein>        will bring up at IT committee then Sep 25 22:53:03       awesome Sep 25 22:53:06 <FrancisKlein>       I was not aware if they needed a motion or not Sep 25 22:53:10       they do not Sep 25 22:53:15 <FrancisKlein>       ok Sep 25 22:53:19        but that is appreciated Sep 25 22:53:48       the committee topics, can they be included in next weeks agenda? Sep 25 22:54:00 <FrancisKlein>       If IT cannot address on Sat due to lack of people on IT, then I will bring it up next week Sep 25 22:54:04 <FrancisKlein>       and yes absolutely Sep 25 22:54:07       only because we are short on time and someone is waiting ever so patiently Sep 25 22:54:12 <FrancisKlein>       I didn't write all of them for just one night Sep 25 22:54:14       thank you thank you Sep 25 22:54:15       <3 Sep 25 22:54:32       ok, many of us hae heard of stopwatching.us Sep 25 22:54:45        we have n0pants here to talk about a rally going on next month Sep 25 22:54:54       but he has 6 minutes. Sep 25 22:54:54       oh hi Sep 25 22:55:02        can you introduce yourself? Sep 25 22:55:02       gr8 :-) Sep 25 22:55:32        and the rally, of course Sep 25 22:56:00        I'm an agent w/ Telecomix (ad-hoc hacktivist cluster) Sep 25 22:56:11        name please. Sep 25 22:56:18        currently I'm helping out folks on https://rally.stopwatching.us Sep 25 22:56:40        they're organizing protest in DC on Oct 26 & lobbying congress the day before Sep 25 22:56:51        busing people in, etc. Sep 25 22:57:14        we're looking for groups/indiv./corps to add as supporters Sep 25 22:57:33        and asking for help reaching out to your members Sep 25 22:57:41        big push starts tomorrow Sep 25 22:57:52        ... Sep 25 22:57:58        that's about it, I think Sep 25 22:58:03        name. :) Sep 25 22:58:08       OH RIGHT Sep 25 22:58:15       lol Sep 25 22:58:37       I gave the word that USPP does support the rally Sep 25 22:58:42       sorry, my name's Pete Fein / @wearpants / this is me: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17914501 Sep 25 22:59:02 <Bosun>       sans-culottes? Sep 25 22:59:08       and state parties should consider endorsing it as well Sep 25 23:00:11 <OyajiVyse>       very cool Sep 25 23:00:17 <OyajiVyse>       on that note, time is up Sep 25 23:00:27 <OyajiVyse>        motion to adjourn the meeting Sep 25 23:00:32 <FrancisKlein>       econd Sep 25 23:00:33       We can go a few more minutes Sep 25 23:00:38       we did start late Sep 25 23:01:04       I'll keep a bouncer here if folks have questions or want to endorse Sep 25 23:01:10       n0pants: any word on when USPP will show on the site as a endorsement? Sep 25 23:01:37 *       Fatbag (~quassel@icj-070-57-73-332.public.utexas.edu) has joined #pnc Sep 25 23:01:54       And a few quick rundown of things Sep 25 23:01:56       kusanagi: mmm, might be a little bit, everyone's heads down for launch, but should be in next few days at most Sep 25 23:02:13       awesome. Sep 25 23:02:32       i have posts going up ~1030am Eastern, so there's that Sep 25 23:02:38       Washington is requesting help on developing a candidate questionnaire: http://piratepad.net/Wa6qPubnpZ Sep 25 23:02:54       if you have anything to add, please do so on behalf of WAPP Sep 25 23:03:38       and this last thing: Consider the removal of non-active states from the pNC Sep 25 23:04:03       meetings are harder to start when people don't want to show, or member-state parties fall off the planet Sep 25 23:04:33       Or don't want to show Sep 25 23:04:40       They can easily rejoin later Sep 25 23:04:53       but for everyone's sake so we can actually get meetings rolling. Sep 25 23:05:16       And that's all I have Sep 25 23:05:26       Anyone wish to add anything, n0pants included? Sep 25 23:06:06 <OyajiVyse>       nothing on my end Sep 25 23:06:14 <FrancisKlein>       don't think so Sep 25 23:06:23 <MrSquared>        I had a comment Sep 25 23:06:53       go ahead Sep 25 23:07:18 <MrSquared>       We shouldn't let the negativity of individuals bring us down. We should try our best to not "feed the trolls" as they say. Sep 25 23:07:51 <MrSquared>       Just an observation Sep 25 23:07:56       I assume you're referring to one or two individuals in particular? Sep 25 23:08:04 <MrSquared>       Yes'm Sep 25 23:08:05        mostly SAB list? Sep 25 23:08:16 <MrSquared>       Correct Sep 25 23:08:36 <FrancisKlein>       Did I respond to that in a bad way? Sep 25 23:08:39       I don't take it personally, at least not anymore Sep 25 23:08:44       no, you did so wonderfully Sep 25 23:08:58       notice his lack of response Sep 25 23:09:03 <FrancisKlein>       ok good because it pissed me off Sep 25 23:09:08 <MrSquared>       No, it was great, thank you for keeping the peace Sep 25 23:09:12 <FrancisKlein>       and his lack of attendance Sep 25 23:09:16 <FrancisKlein>       ... Sep 25 23:09:21 <FrancisKlein>       anyway Sep 25 23:09:22       see above about pnc removal Sep 25 23:09:35 <MrSquared>       mm Sep 25 23:09:41 <FrancisKlein>        well, at least he spoke up Sep 25 23:09:46        yeah Sep 25 23:09:54 <FrancisKlein>       better than not saying anything, i guess Sep 25 23:09:56       and seriously, if there's anything that needs to be brought up Sep 25 23:10:01        email dan or me Sep 25 23:10:02 <FrancisKlein>        absolutely Sep 25 23:10:03       or call me Sep 25 23:10:15        seriously, the tx pirates call all the time Sep 25 23:10:21 <FrancisKlein>       haha really? Sep 25 23:10:38       yep! Sep 25 23:10:47 <FrancisKlein>       can you PM me phone number? I don't think I have it Sep 25 23:11:08       uspirates.org has it Sep 25 23:11:13 <FrancisKlein>        oh right Sep 25 23:11:13 <FrancisKlein>       ok Sep 25 23:11:17        I've gotten some great stories out of it too Sep 25 23:11:24       but that's for another time Sep 25 23:11:25 <FrancisKlein>       i bet Sep 25 23:11:30 <FrancisKlein>       ... Sep 25 23:11:34 <FrancisKlein>       motion to adjourn? Sep 25 23:11:40       if you wanna Sep 25 23:11:41       lol Sep 25 23:11:43 <FrancisKlein>       so moved Sep 25 23:11:49       dan's grumbling, prolly Sep 25 23:11:57       any seconds? Sep 25 23:12:05 <OyajiVyse>       second Sep 25 23:12:11 <OyajiVyse>       why'd I be grumbling? Sep 25 23:12:52 <OyajiVyse>       all in favor? Sep 25 23:12:55 <FrancisKlein>       aye Sep 25 23:12:58 <OyajiVyse>       aye Sep 25 23:13:11       because i ignored your motion Sep 25 23:13:14 <MrSquared>       aye Sep 25 23:13:21       ping narrenburg Sep 25 23:13:33       I know QuazarGuy left for the night Sep 25 23:14:41       well, we're way over time anyway Sep 25 23:14:49       calling it for the night, 11:14 Sep 25 23:14:58 <OyajiVyse>       3 aye, 2 abstain