PNC 2/26/14

=::PNC Meeting Agenda::=
 * --- 02/26/2014 21:00h EDT ---
 * IRC: irc.pirateirc.net
 * Room: #pnc
 * Wiki: https://uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_2/26/14

Minutes

 * Open invitation for help with IT committee
 * Duane A. Garner volunteers to take over IT committee chair.
 * Discussion of pirate-party.us domain
 * According to FLPP, domain is owned by Christopher Sheats (see whois on domain)
 * Contact Sheats regarding domain

1.1 - Members of the PNC
Attending Excused Unexcused Probation
 * Andrew Norton, GA Rep
 * Lucia Fiero, MA rep
 * Morgan Pevonka-Thompson, WI rep
 * Dan Gorski, NY Rep
 * Bradley Hall, FL Rep
 * none
 * Oregon

Observers
 * Duane A. Garner, Alabama

1.3 - Officers of the PNC

 * Joseph Yaworski, Quartermaster
 * Lindsay Anne-Brunner, Chair
 * Andrew Norton, Vice Chair

2 - PROCEEDINGS

 * Meeting called to order at: 9:18pm EDT
 * Meeting chaired by Lindsay Anne-Brunner
 * Secretary for this meeting is Joseph Yaworski
 * Quorum is established: 5 out of 6 Members present
 * Logging Enabled: Yes

3 - Review of previous minutes
http://www.uspirates.org/wiki/PNC_12/12/13

IT Committee

 * Duane Gartner volunteers to chair IT committee

5 - Agenda Items

 * pirate-party.us domain issues

- AOB -

 * Notes from stop fast track:
 * https://piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.dFlW9aKzgCL/latest
 * Have state candidates featured on site
 * Duane compiling a list of improvements to the wiki and website
 * Move the next meeting to end of March


 * Next meeting: 2014-03-26 at 9:00PM EDT
 * Meeting closed: 10:45PM

Logs of the Meeting
[21:20] Time is now 9:18pm Eastern Standard, I hereby call this meeting to order [21:20]  Android 4.4.2! [21:20] Please state your name and state of residence, and position [21:20] Please take all offtopic coversations to #uspp-social [21:20] Joseph Yaworski, MD, USPP Quartermaster [21:20] Lindsay-Anne Brunner, Chair, NY [21:21]  NO U [21:21]  Andrew Norton, Georgia Vice Chair+rep. USPP Vice Chair [21:22]  Daniel Gorski, NY rep [21:22]  Morgan Pevonka-Thompson, Representative for PP Wisconsin [21:22]  (yes, I got married last October) [21:22] * ToArmsMHearties :D [21:22] ToArmsMHearties: congrats and take it to social :D [21:22] <3 [21:22] jyaworski: where's the agenda link? [21:23]  hey, I was just explaining the name change. It's pertinent to the meeting. [21:23] because the URL isn't an agenda [21:23] There is only one item on the agenda, and that is talking about options for the pirate-party.us domain. For brevity I just put it in the title. [21:23]  Duane A. Garner, Alabama [21:23] We need the agenda. [21:23] that is not an agenda. [21:26] Did you make one? [21:28] I'll make one [21:29] One moment, guys [21:32] https://pnc.piratenpad.de/34 [21:32] that link should work and be open [21:33] *** kusanagi sets the channel topic to "Pirate National Committee of the United States Pirate Party | Meetings held on Wednesday, 2100EDT/1800PDT | Next meeting: Wednesday, February 26th, 2014 | Agenda: https://pnc.piratenpad.de/34". [21:34] Looks like it works [21:34] yay [21:34] Has anyone heard anything from IT? [21:34] --> Bluestreak (webchat@gdzt-644-90-008-48.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) has joined this channel. [21:35]  Lucia Fiero, MA rep [21:35]  Sorry about the delay, couldn't shut down! [21:35]  Mail was hanging. :-P [21:35] Bluestreak: that's mac for you lol [21:35]  lol [21:36] Duane: I saw you posted to SAB about an IT meeting, did you get a response at all? [21:37]  Not in reply to the SAB mailing, however, through contact you gave me, Klein will be indesposed until Friday I believe, in which I believe I will be handling over the website and related matters, github, etc. [21:38] so, is he stepping down from IT, or...? [21:38]  To make distribution of files, especially web material easy to disseminate. [21:38]  He did not mention that. [21:38] but no mention of a meeting at all or any ongoing work? [21:39]  perhaps first of all, we should be identifying needs to them, rather than just 'another website' [21:39] <DuaneG-PC2> None, but in fairness, the meeting was short, I take it he wasn't feeling well or something. It was rather off-topic. [21:39] they had a list of things to work on. in the last meeting of theirs I'd attended, they started talking about making another website and I didn't understand why it was needed, to be honest [21:40] <K`Tetch> because making 'a website' is easy and fun. Making the RIGHT one isn't [21:40] <ToArmsMHearties> lol [21:41] K`Tetch: understandable. [21:43] so, IT is doing not that much. [21:43] <K`Tetch> whats new [21:44] yeah [21:44] Would anyone be willing to step up for IT? [21:44] Because to be completely honest, I'm kind of sick of the lack of anything getting done. [21:45] <Bluestreak> What do you mean, "step up"? [21:45] Run IT committee. It's obvious that nothing is getting done, and there's a variety of issues that need to be fixed [21:45] for example, emails for the officers/reps [21:46] <ToArmsMHearties> sorry, I'm a print specialist, and I already have way too much on my plate. [21:46] <DuaneG-PC2> I'd be willing to oversee the committee, as you know, my career is in IT. [21:46] <Bluestreak> Does one have to have an understanding of... IT? [21:46] general improvements [21:46] DuaneG-PC2: are you sure? [21:46] <Bluestreak> Oh yay! [21:46] <K`Tetch> I'm overloaded on commitments atm [21:46] <Bluestreak> Cause I'm not a techie. [21:47] <DuaneG-PC2> Indeed. I am familiar with hardware, software, networking, webdesign, graphic design and printing, cryptology, etc. [21:47] <DuaneG-PC2> ToArms: I was a printer for a few years myself. :) [21:47] <DuaneG-PC2> Oops.. heh [21:48] <ToArmsMHearties> I know pre-press. [21:48] <K`Tetch> lets try and stay on topic [21:48] Reps, would you want to vote on this? [21:49] <K`Tetch> whats to vote on? [21:49] <ToArmsMHearties> mmm crypto [21:50] <K`Tetch> committee membership can change at will, nothing for reps to vote on [21:51] <Bluestreak> Were we going to talk about... the domain? [21:52] Considering FL isn't here, and they were the prime state to talk about it, that's potentially not a good idea. [21:52] K`Tetch: gotcha. [21:53] And no one who was at the dissolution meeting was there either. [21:53] The logs were a bit long, but they stated that florida was to own the domain. [21:54] so how Sheats got it in the first place is a mystery. [21:54] <Bluestreak> But wasn't the point of PNC this week to discuss the domain? [21:55] Yes. [21:55] <K`Tetch> i just spoke to brad hes about to head to bed, since he's got a gig tomorow [21:56] <Bluestreak> I sure would like to go to bed. [21:56] <Bluestreak> Rough week. [21:56] K`Tetch: and he couldn't send a rep or anyone? [21:57] <K`Tetch> I don't think nhe was aware of the meet [21:57] how the royal was he not aware? [21:57] <K`Tetch> I don't know [21:57] <Bluestreak> Gotta check ur email every day! [21:57] <K`Tetch> I'm just relaying [21:57] He gets the emails and responded to them, so he saw. [21:58] --> Rush (42b10fe6@mlxka5.mibbit.com) has joined this channel. [21:58] <Rush> Okay [21:58] Rush: for the record, identify please [22:00] <Rush> Bradley Hall, FLPP Chairman, Jacksonville Florida [22:00] Thank you [22:00] So, now that you're here, let's talk this domain. [22:01] Was it ever transferred to FLPP? [22:01] <Rush> Near as I can tell, WAPP had it [22:01] <Rush> It was never transferred to us, that much is certain because we would still have the thing if it was. [22:02] I think you mentioned that WAPP wasn't a legal entity though [22:04] <Rush> I don't know if they were or were not. Sheats, Talada, and the people associated with WAPP know for sure. [22:04] And they haven't exactly been forthcoming. [22:05] <Bluestreak> So Jeff Talada knows something about this? [22:05] <Rush> I don't know what he knows, but he should know about this, he was there, wasn't he? [22:06] he was at the meeting [22:06] Marcus Kessler was also there, and a few other people I don't recognize [22:07] So, we'll have to talk with WAPP, assuming someone is willing [22:08] And there's not much we can do. [22:08] <Bluestreak> I am FB friends with JT [22:08] Since there is only the log of a meeting, no contracts, no registration history [22:08] <Bluestreak> I interact with him a lot [22:08] <Rush> If I recall, their command structure was crazy [22:08] <Rush> And I too am FB friends with Talada [22:08] <Bluestreak> I will reach out to him, if you like. [22:09] <Bluestreak> Tomorrow though. [22:09] <Bluestreak> Too beat tonight. [22:09] that's fine [22:10] <Rush> k [22:10] <K`Tetch> and you'd be surprised what we can do [22:10] <K`Tetch> a meeting is a verbal contract [22:11] <Rush> Has anyone tried to contact Sheats lately? [22:11] I think that would be up to FLPP to pursue legalliy. [22:11] <Rush> Can someone draft me a letter to send to him? [22:11] because as it stands, PNC has no ground. [22:11] Rush: nice or mean? [22:12] <Bluestreak> I reached out to Sheats. [22:12] <Rush> When? [22:12] <Bluestreak> DM twitter [22:12] <Bluestreak> LMC the date [22:12] <Rush> Can we have nice and mean? [22:12] And until FL and WA straighten this out, the domain is in limbo [22:12] <K`Tetch> I tried to a few weeks ago [22:12] It does point to the current site [22:12] <Rush> Oh? [22:13] honestly, we should cut our losses and move on. [22:13] <Bluestreak> Dec 19 Hey! USPP is looking to reclaim the domain: @pirate-party.us. Could you work with me to do that? I would really appreciate it! Delete this direct message Christopher Dec 20 I'll be happy to help. Email me plz yawnbox@gmail [22:13] <Rush> Isn't that what we kinda want? It pointing at us? [22:13] <Rush> Well, there you go, that sounds like he wants to talk [22:15] <Bluestreak> Oops [22:15] <Bluestreak> Might have mentioned that sooner [22:15] <Bluestreak> I had surgery in Nov then again in Dec you know... [22:15] <Bluestreak> Then my Dad had surgery in Jan. [22:15] <K`Tetch> pirate-party.us points at us, right NOW. fl.pirate-party.us points at a tor exit node [22:15] <Bluestreak> Not that that is any excuse [22:15] <Rush> Gotcha [22:16] We also currently do not control the domain. To do any kind of branding, we need to control the brand. [22:16] <Rush> Like I said, write me something to send to him [22:17] <Rush> FLPP is a 527 class organization, that's pretty official [22:17] <Rush> I have to file taxes and everyting [22:17] Rush: i'll draft something in the morning [22:17] Bluestreak: so no email to/from him? [22:17] <Rush> I'm working all day Thur, Fri, Sat, and Sun [22:18] <Bluestreak> No I never followed up. [22:18] <Bluestreak> IDK [22:18] <Bluestreak> Maybe I did and never heard back... [22:18] Bluestreak: then tomorrow follow up. Rush, I'll hold on the letter [22:18] <Bluestreak> Once a day until i hear from him, I will post to SAB: [22:18] <Bluestreak> "No news yet" [22:19] <Bluestreak> or "HE. HAS. REPLIED." [22:19] <Bluestreak> OK/ [22:19] <Bluestreak> ? [22:19] <Rush> Kusanagi write your message, collab with the PNC or SAB or whatever it's called now and we'll look at it next meeting (or you will if I'm not here) and then send it to me and I'll send it to him. Since I'm FLPP Chair, I get final cut approval. [22:19] Bluestreak: perfect [22:19] That sounds great, Bluestreak. [22:19] And then we will work with Rush and FLPP in the meantime, as we will assume that WA will not respond. [22:20] is that suitable, K`Tetch? [22:20] <Rush> Why? [22:20] <Rush> Try to contact WAPP too [22:20] <K`Tetch> ok [22:20] Rush: my idea is to play both options, prefering just to contact WAPP. [22:21] <Rush> Contact everyone, even the janitor [22:21] <Bluestreak> lol [22:21] <Bluestreak> I will reach out to both men. Tomorrow. There: On my todo list [22:22] thank you [22:23] Any more on this topic? [22:23] <ToArmsMHearties> todo los huevos. :P [22:24] <ToArmsMHearties> sorry [22:24] My spanish is bad, sorry [22:24] <Rush> Yo vivo en el cubo gigante [22:24] <K`Tetch> stay on topic please [22:24] Any further discussion on the topic of the domain? [22:25] <ToArmsMHearties> a bucket? [22:25] <ToArmsMHearties> sorry, sorry [22:25] <Bluestreak> No [22:26] <Bluestreak> Can I sleep now? [22:26] No [22:26] I have one thing for AOB [22:27] there's a big movement for the coming month for anti-tpp and fast track [22:27] there was a call on monday, and I promised the notes [22:27] I wasn't able to attend myself, but the next one I will be at [22:27] if you've not, please consider joining stop fast track [22:27] https://piratenpad.de/ep/pad/view/ro.dFlW9aKzgCL/latest [22:28] notes from the call are listed about [22:28] above [22:30] And for next time, I'd like to expand the platform and get working on things we actually have to do [22:30] If your state is running a candidate, I would like a blog post for the site done by them [22:30] Sort of on the theme of "Pirate Perspective" or "Why I'm running" [22:31] <Bluestreak> I am a campaign chair [22:31] <Bluestreak> I will ask him to write something [22:31] If you want to write a post, be my guest [22:31] <K`Tetch> I'm busy working on the uk EU stuff [22:31] K`Tetch: that's fine [22:31] <Bluestreak> I am seeing him tomorrow [22:32] Go over SAB list or email me directly, whichever is easier faster etc [22:32] <Bluestreak> I'm sorry have the blog post done by when? [22:33] May? I don't know yet [22:33] <K`Tetch> as for meetng times, speaking of 'next meetings', I think end of march may be the better time [22:33] <Bluestreak> Awesome [22:33] Just getting it out there for you [22:33] <K`Tetch> that way we'll have time to actually get stuff done [22:33] <Bluestreak> Too much to do right now in MA anyway [22:33] K`Tetch: I was going on to that next [22:34] <Rush> Are we on AOB now or do we still need to vote to close the domain talk [22:34] Over the next few weeks, I'd like to hammer out some more of the platform. Any suggestions welcome. [22:34] Rush: we have been on AOB. [22:34] There's a lot we should be doing, and I understand it's busy for us individually [22:35] but we need the help getting national looking spiffy. [22:35] The Core Values deserve a rewrite, imo [22:36] <Rush> Yes [22:36] And I'll say this in the open: it's really disrespectful to keep asking if you can go to sleep now, if you can leave, etc. [22:36] <Rush> And that one guy and the other bloke need to really work on that NSH2 book they've been threatening [22:36] Rush: yeah, those two guys really gotta get working [22:36] no idea of who they could be [22:36] <K`Tetch> yeah... [22:36] yeah [22:36] That guy from Georgia, right? [22:36] That guy IN Georgia. [22:36] Anyone have anything for AOB? [22:37] <Rush> I know where the American guy lives, Andrew, you got the Brit, okay? [22:37] <K`Tetch> ok [22:37] <Rush> I don't [22:37] <OyajiVyse> nope [22:37] Bluestreak, ToArmsMHearties jyaworski Duane [22:37] err DuaneG-PC2 [22:37] anything to add? [22:37] Nothing here. [22:37] <Bluestreak> No [22:38] <DuaneG-PC2> Surely. [22:39] DuaneG-PC2: something to add? [22:39] <DuaneG-PC2> I'll be compiling a list to get with you specifically on improvements that *should* be made, please do the same with me. Also, anyone please feel free to do the same, at this point please direct messages through @Kusanagi for now. [22:39] thank you [22:40] <K`Tetch> improvements that should be made to what? [22:40] the site and/or IT related projects, I'd assume [22:40] <DuaneG-PC2> ANYTHING within my scope. Website, Wiki, etc. I am also going to be talking to Kusa about some re-writes. [22:41] <DuaneG-PC2> I have not a bad writer myself and I agree with her statement on the values and such needing a touch up [22:41] "I have not" [22:41] <DuaneG-PC2> .. [22:41] <DuaneG-PC2> am not [22:41] <DuaneG-PC2> lawl [22:41] Anyway, i think that's it for tonight [22:42] <Rush> sfaye [22:42] <Rush> aye [22:42] there's no vote, Rush [22:42] <Rush> aye [22:42] ... [22:42] <OyajiVyse> motion to adjourn [22:42] <OyajiVyse> seconds? [22:43] <Rush> aye [22:43] Aye. [22:43] <-- Rush (42b10fe6@mlxka5.mibbit.com) has left this server (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client). [22:43] Vote to close [22:43] <K`Tetch> aye [22:43] <OyajiVyse> aye [22:43] <Bluestreak> aye [22:44] <Bluestreak> Good night! [22:44] jyaworski: you have no vote [22:44] Good night [22:44] I realize. [22:44] PLEASE BRING STUFF FORWARD FOR THE AGENDA. [22:44] Seriously. [22:44] <OyajiVyse> goodnight all [22:44] The time is 10:44. [22:45] thanks [22:45] meeting closed, gnight